Setting the reality straight.

[Blue Chequer Pied]

 

i agree,  but the barrack room laywer who made an insult against me?/forum members for their spelling was not being very diplomatic was he , how long has it been a crime to misspell ?, if it is a crime then close the forum because i have noted that most on here are bad at speeling but i was not being a two faced back stabber like he was

 

Ok point taken but I think to succeed here everyone has to pull together. At the end of the day all we want to do is race pigeons but we need to protect our hobby.

 

Paul.

[white logan]

 

Ok point taken but I think to succeed here everyone has to pull together. At the end of the day all we want to do is race pigeons but we need to protect our hobby.

 

Paul.

 

thats the point i was making but like i said , either the barrack room layer has had too many shandy's and miss read what i posted , or he is so thick he just wants to provoke an argument

[Blue Chequer Pied]

 

thats the point i was making but like i said , either the barrack room layer has had too many shandy's and miss read what i posted , or he is so thick he just wants to provoke an argument

 

There you go again!!!!

[vanreets]

who are you talking about when you say "a fellow that has a job to write properly" 90% of the forum ? your an ignorant to$$er

 

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[vanreets]

I think we should all stick together,or we will all end up :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( are bless

[Guest]

I really think some people were born with their anatomy A about B.......... How many of you have got the hobby at heart????? very few, from what I can see. The outspoken amongst you are interested in only one thing........... self satisfaction AND PIGEONS COME A LONG WAY DOWN THE QUEUE. Sad people that you are.  A bit of surgery would soon put you right...... What you sit on, you class as a BRAIN and what you have between your ears most sensible people call your Gonads.

I will say it again, KEEP YOUR BIRDS LOCKED UP FOR 2 YEARS so the BOP have to feed on the native wild birds of the UK, and then, and only then, will the people who donate to the RSPB will start asking them the questions, INSTEAD OF US. The sh!te will really hit the fan then. At the moment, the RSPB and DEFRA are laughing at us pigeon fanciers for supplying their beloved BOP. TAKE THE PIGEONS OUT OF THE FOOD CHAIN AND THE PRO BOP ACTIVISTS HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM.

Stand back and smell the coffee. The basic things in life are the most effective.

Two years of inactivity by ALL pigeon keepers, spells disaster for the RSPB and DEFRA and secures a future for our hobby. Anything else and we are doomed to a future without our birds

[Guest bigda]

yep bob thats the sensible route, all it needs  is  the four unions to agree to it,   saying that defra

nearly done us a favor if they had banned pigeon racing, with the bird flu and all  they might   shoot there self in the foot yet ;D

[pjc]

It is the only way Bob as i've also said before but how do you go about it?

The unions can stop racing, not issue rings for 2yrs and ask all members to keep the birds confined but how many non members are there who keep birds for pleasure, racers or fancy that won't get the message?

A 100% confinement is the only way, the first year, dovecots, ferels etc will get wiped out the 2nd yr wild birds will take a hammering, don't get me wrong i wouldn't want to see any birds dissapear from my garden but the ballance has to be redressed.

[pigeonpete]

It is the only way Bob as i've also said before but how do you go about it?

The unions can stop racing, not issue rings for 2yrs and ask all members to keep the birds confined but how many non members are there who keep birds for pleasure, racers or fancy that won't get the message?

A 100% confinement is the only way, the first year, dovecots, ferels etc will get wiped out the 2nd yr wild birds will take a hammering, don't get me wrong i wouldn't want to see any birds dissapear from my garden but the ballance has to be redressed.

 

It may work, but im afraid it will never happen! just think of the money the r.p.r.a will lose for a start, How many would pack up alltogether? jmo

[Guest]

Phil I spoke to members of my club about this some time back, and all agreed that it is the only way. But as I have said it has got to be a nationwide response for it to work.

[Guest]

 

It may work, but im afraid it will never happen! just think of the money the r.p.r.a will lose for a start, How many would pack up alltogether? jmo

 

Pete, those that pack up through going down this route, will not be anywhere near as many as those who give up through the problem

 

[pjc]

 

It may work, but im afraid it will never happen! just think of the money the r.p.r.a will lose for a start, How many would pack up alltogether? jmo

 

So fine, the RPRA don't make money for a year, so what, there will still be birds sold, transfered etc, memberships will still need to be maintained and while there is no racing the staff could do PR work for the sport in preperation for a relaunch etc.

All clubs could run shows etc to keep the interest going, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

What members have got to look at are the long term benefits for the sport, there will be no short term gains!

[pjc]

 

Pete, those that pack up through going down this route, will not be anywhere near as many as those who give up through the problem

 

Those that do give up would most likely be those only in it for the money, big studs etc that, in many cases do very little for the sport anyway!

[pigeonpete]

 

Pete, those that pack up through going down this route, will not be anywhere near as many as those who give up through the problem

 

Good point Bob, I would support it, would give me time to build up my depleted team :-) But how many would agree, but then still let there birds out round home? Im just saying i cant hoestly see it ever happening. To many grey areas  :-/

[Guest]

The only grey areas will be what is between the ears of those who cannot see the basic common sense in it. Yes there will be those who wont go along with it, but then it wont be long before they get wiped out. Simple equation really, fewer pigeons out = greater risk of attack = self destruction.

[willow]

Good morning , everyones bickering already ! i am a novice pigeon woman and i find this site interesting finding things out about the birds , i do however find a bit of back stabbing .I am learning about the hawks and the damage they are doing to the pigeons .Having a meeting would maybe be the way forward and trying to get a petitions together from all over the country and further, to get something done about them ,as there seems to be a lot of conflict with the pigeon men on what could be done . As it is a sport could the sporting world not be approached on this subject .......It's just a thought from a novice . Willow

[pjc]

Good morning , everyones bickering already ! i am a novice pigeon woman and i find this site interesting finding things out about the birds , i do however find a bit of back stabbing .I am learning about the hawks and the damage they are doing to the pigeons .Having a meeting would maybe be the way forward and trying to get a petitions together from all over the country and further, to get something done about them ,as there seems to be a lot of conflict with the pigeon men on what could be done . As it is a sport could the sporting world not be approached on this subject .......It's just a thought from a novice . Willow

 

Agree Willow, everybody needs to work together.

A meeting will never happen, a lot of members can't even be bothered to attend club meetings let alone a nitional meeting.

Pigeon racing is not recognised as a sport so no support from sporting bodies.

[pigeonpete]

 

Agree Willow, everybody needs to work together.

A meeting will never happen, a lot of members can't even be bothered to attend club meetings let alone a nitional meeting.

Pigeon racing is not recognised as a sport so no support from sporting bodies.

 

Sad but true Phil  :-/

[Guest]

Morning Willow, I don't think those who have contributed to this thread this morning are bickering it's more a case of agreeing in principle that the idea is the only sensible option, but trying to implement it that is going to be the problem. :-/ Pigeon fanciers BIGGEST enemy is............. The Pigeon Fancier

[pigeonpete]

Morning Willow, I don't think those who have contributed to this thread this morning are bickering it's more a case of agreeing in principle that the idea is the only sensible option, but trying to implement it that is going to be the problem. :-/ Pigeon fanciers BIGGEST enemy is............. The Pigeon Fancier

 

Agree Bob no bickering, We agree in principle to what needs to be done, its just putting it into action... and thats the word 90% of pigeon men dont like  ACTION  

[willow]

Change is a big word , fear of change is what most are afraid of ,take the electric clock ,im told lots of people didn't want that but now everyone does . If someone was to arrange a meeting in different areas and got it started then it would be a start , good luck to you all then to get something done .It only takes one to start something then the flock will follow as its human nature to do so. So guys if you want to get something done don't sit about writng about it , take action and start the ball rolling then the ones who are complaining about it won't have to say anything if they are not contributing to making the sport infact a Sport .Or maybe its a woman who you need to get it moving !  so maybe us women fanciers better get together and show the men what they should be doing to change it into a Sport .

[Guest]

Bob, don't take this personal for shooting down the idea but someone has to point out some realities for as admirable the idea is its just not a viable option, and here's why.  It wouldn't be just the RPRA that would not generate any income through this self imposed drought it would be the smaller unions as well, they would all but close and the members of the said unions without anything to do would drift to other hobbies and pastimes or die waiting.  The full time secs who rely on this as a wage would become unemployed as there is little chance that there would be any money to support paying someone to do nothing for two years.  The industry that survives on producing for the racing seasons would close as demand for the likes of corn and other products would reduce along with the teams, no-one is going to breed a 100 birds just to feed them, the same can be applied to all aspects of pigeon related industry who rely on the constant turnover for survival.  Ask the likes of the WHU or SHU if they have enough money to survive for two years while their members don't fly, people aren't going to pay thier fees if they can't fly, why should they.  No rings to sell, no fayres to benefit from as there would be little point in buying something your not going to use.  The older generation would never survive not being able to race as most live for it, ask them don't take my word for it.   The idea as well intentioned as it is just doesn't have any chance of getting off the ground for the reasons above not because of the lack of common sense and its my suspicion that if you polled the membership, not the forum but the real membership the idea would not get passed the starting post.

 

Bob, you keep on saying about common sense but you ignore the fact that the peregrine will adapt to this and feed on anything it can to survive, its done it for centuries and will do it again, all that this idea of yours would do is take away one part of their food source temporarily, they'd survive this famine and boy would they have fun when the racing started back only this time they'd focus entirely on the pigeon.  Then come the nature lovers, they are really going to love this idea aren't they!  Through natural selection the percy already attacks smaller birds, I was watching this happen not ten minutes ago out of my garden window, they'll do the same when there are no pigeons.  There may be the remote possiblity of them migrating further in country to where the food is or opposite to the towns and cities where the feral and house rats are, food is food remember.  Regardless of what species we took away whether it be pigeon or sparrow the percy will survive the famine because they are programmed to do.  Theory should say they won't thrive like they are now but that's about it so the idea you have if anything would imho possibly achieve that but at what cost?  The total demize of racing.

 

Its an idealist thought Bob, but this is not an ideal world, young people get bored very easily and get easily distracted, we need more than sitting tending to birds that just sit in the loft for two years doing nothing but wait until our self imposed ban from racing is over.  We have two years to do what, fester over the idea that as soon as we start racing again the peregrine starved from its other sources of food now go hell for leather for the pigeon and because we are now effectively starting from scratch our stocks are likely to be depleted and it would be even harder to take the hit than it is now.

 

I like many respect your idea and definately respect the well intentioned reasons behind it but in truth Bob, as hard as it sounds, the idea hasn't been thought out enough and sadly when thought is put into the idea and whether it would work the answer to me seems to be no it won't.   I don't have the answers before anyone asks and I'm not purposely shooting this one down so please don't take it that I am.  I've discussed it with dozens of top flyers before posting this and they all agree that there is no way they would or could take a two year sebatical (spelling?) knowing that when they come back the same problem is going to be there only worse for the reasons above.

 

Sadly us pigeon men are stuck between a rock and a hard place Bob.  

[REDROCKET]

United we rule Divided we fall

 

this should be you logo keep up the good work roland you know you have my lofts support

[Guest strapper]

im afraid i would pack up the birds ,if the unions stopped racing . ive already in recent years been on the verge of packing in...on top of my bad health.

its only the love of the sport that brings me back from doing it...its right when its in your blood you cant get rid of it.

i think if there was a two year ban on racing although it maybe sense to do it, i fear that it will end a lot of lofts ,because of the cost of keeping them and without the enjoyment of racing them.

i think we are gonna have to act to prevent the sport falling into the depths it has in recent years.

bird losses are on a much bigger scale than it was just 5years a go.

some belive that sickness is the problem...which i feel personally isnt anything to do with it.

i partly feel we are to blame...because too many fall into the myth ...we have to send this week! or else ...without the proper training and fitness and learning a love for home they go to a race and find themselves mls away from home and do not have that will to return.

 

birds of prey attacking our birds....why is it law that a farmer can have a LEGAL RIGHT! ..to shoot a dog worrying his sheep?

why is it law that you can be brought up in court if you allow your dog to attack a cat ?

why is it law that a gamekeeper has the right to shoot anything worrying his birds?

WHY ISNT IT LAW THAT WE CAN USE THESE SAME RULES TO PROTECT OUR BIRDS?

 

we need backing from high up to start the ball rolling,not someone who,s shouts will fall on deaf years..joanna lumley showed the right way...she made the public hear of the plight of the gurkhers ...and rightly so.

what we need is tv coverage, posters ..showing a kids pet pigeon being ripped apart by an hawk..shock tactics is required.

celebrities are needed on board and as many as posssible.

and force home the promise that was made over 50yrs a go to take the peregrine off the endangered list.

we have to stop arguing on here about personal feelings about this and realise what the real reason why we are discussing this.....to protect our birds.

attacking one another is just adding to the problem...lets get on with it and look to find a solution.

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

There is a group that is trying to do something. They may get it wrong, they have a huge battle to get anything done. They are trying to be positive, they don't need to be attacked. I anyone has a better way then they can try too.

We have nothing to lose at the moment our image is rock bottom in public perception. I was at the mid devon show recently and the guy giving the hawk demo two racing pigeons flew past, which he pointed out he sai they don't want to do that, he explained over the tannoy (17,000 visitors on the day at the show) last year when he was doing the Dorset show his percy chased a Racing Pigeon whilst on 'display', the pigeon dived in to one of the marquees but percy followed him, that was the end of the pigeon! He was in the main arena with a crowd of several hundred, the response of the crowd laughter all around!

If you don't agree with what's happening that's fine, if you have a better way then you can try and do something about it. If you aint got another way, what's the problem with ignoring this, it won't make things worse that's for sure. In terms of wanting to see a website, if it was ready don't you think it would be publicised now?

So for everyone who thinks this won't work take no notice of it,it won't affect you will it? And if you are desperate like me having birds taken, (had two taken yesterday found one down the lane with its head off, obviously killed for the 'sport' or a young percy being trained to kill) all year, then you are willing to support anything that might have a chance.

And i have put my money where my mouth is I've given birds for auction to give this some funds. So I'd say if you think it's tosh that's fine and saying it is fine but then trying to attack it why would you want to do that?

As Pete says this is about positive action, lets stop attacking each other and attack the real enemy and that's the RSPB, they are the mouth piece of the hawk. They will do anything to support the hawk, so let's try and be positive and move forward and if you can't be positive, don't be negative.