Setting the reality straight.

[Roland]

Repetition, nothing new to spout! ... with fingers in ears no doubt lol ;D ;D ;D

[white logan]

Repetition, nothing new to spout! ... with fingers in ears no doubt lol ;D ;D ;D

 

yes roland , but not in other peoples pockets  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest spin cycle]

if sosbs is doing a better job than pob then 'horray' keep it up. but it sounds like a real old 'farce' between the 2 organisations....reminds me of john cleese in the 'the life of brian'..anyway i think roland has had enough stick. get out there and fly those birds and stop bickering. JMO.

[chickadee]

 

thats exactly what is needed and trust a women to think about it ??? remember ma bottle of vodie next week  

 

Correct, the sooner you all realise that women are superior to you meer mortal men the better, you mind and get the coke for the vodie and ma jammie dodgers ;D

And a burger or six for ######

[maverick]

 

Correct, the sooner you all realise that women are superior to you meer mortal men the better, you mind and get the coke for the vodie and ma jammie dodgers ;D

And a burger or six for ######

 

The sooner you women realise you are only here for one thing TO OBEY MEN  the better   oops got to go here comes the wife    lol ;)

[chickadee]

 

The sooner you women realise you are only here for one thing TO OBEY MEN  the better   oops got to go here comes the wife    lol ;)

 

Yes Mav, no Mav, three bags full of sh** Mav, remeber the waiter at Blackpool when you were touching your feminine side a bit too much for my liking ;D ;D ;D

[Guest scoobybob]

Its not often I join in on these arguments but thought I would put in my two peneth. I think chickadee has the right idea. The majority of the public think pigeons as vermin and will never support killing raptors in favour or pigeons. Now they may support a reduction in the amount of raptors to save our songbirds from extinction. This I believe is the bandwagon we should jump on. Perhaps a follow up from the Mail article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-561041/Cuckoos-disappearing-Britain-number-birds-migrating-Africa-plummets-80.html

[white logan]

this topic has been done to death and there are few points to make in fairness to the forum membership ,

we have a person or persons wanting money from people to sett up a fund , there are no names given , an unknown comitee , no banking details and shrouded in complete mystery , now if you can go along with any of this then your the ones who entertain con-men who knock on the door .

roland who i have no doubt about his passion for seeking a fair deal for pigeon fanciers is flogging a dead horse , and with his blinkerd attitude towards other peoples oppinions is causing more harm than good .

roland has also has also taken it upon himself to start making personal attacks against people who do not share his views at this ,

this campaign has created so much ill feeling towards and amongst fanciers it would be wise to end it now and seek a mutually agreable solutions through the pigeon unions whom you pay money too .

[Guest]

if sosbs is doing a better job than pob then 'horray' keep it up. but it sounds like a real old 'farce' between the 2 organisations....reminds me of john cleese in the 'the life of brian'..anyway i think roland has had enough stick. get out there and fly those birds and stop bickering. JMO.

 

Was never going to be any different Jim................ The whole debacle was never going to be any more than a clash of personalities from the outset.

6,000+ members on this site, and a maximum of 300 members using the site on a regular basis is far from a fair representation of the 33,000 RPRA membership  = .009%, divide that by the number who are for either campaign and what have you got PEANUTS

[chickadee]

Its not often I join in on these arguments but thought I would put in my two peneth. I think chickadee has the right idea. The majority of the public think pigeons as vermin and will never support killing raptors in favour or pigeons. Now they may support a reduction in the amount of raptors to save our songbirds from extinction. This I believe is the bandwagon we should jump on. Perhaps a follow up from the Mail article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-561041/Cuckoos-disappearing-Britain-number-birds-migrating-Africa-plummets-80.html

 

Thanks Scoobybob, I think we are all right, what is wrong is the way we are all going about it, bickering over who has the biggest balls on the playing field, who is in goals and who is the best manager, what the team will be called and I'm no playing with him attitude. In my short time in racing pigeons I have never seen so much bitching between grown men at all levels. Half of them wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit them on the *expletive removed* ;D

I have met some great people in pigeon fancying and made some true friends but I have also met some back stabbing, two faced, childish people along the way.

It is an individual sport/hobby that is full of individuals that don't need team work or loyalty to fellow members to participate so it leaves room for the I'm alright Jack mentality

[Guest stb]

mutually agreable,

 

That would be new in the pigeon fancy i would think :-/ :-/

[Guest spin cycle]

this topic has been done to death and there are few points to make in fairness to the forum membership ,

we have a person or persons wanting money from people to sett up a fund , there are no names given , an unknown comitee , no banking details and shrouded in complete mystery , now if you can go along with any of this then your the ones who entertain con-men who knock on the door .

roland who i have no doubt about his passion for seeking a fair deal for pigeon fanciers is flogging a dead horse , and with his blinkerd attitude towards other peoples oppinions is causing more harm than good .

roland has also has also taken it upon himself to start making personal attacks against people who do not share his views at this ,

this campaign has created so much ill feeling towards and amongst fanciers it would be wise to end it now and seek a mutually agreable solutions through the pigeon unions whom you pay money too .

 

so if it worries you don't give them any money. the point about secrecy/mystery is well made but its up to individuals to judge for themselves..anything else ,IMO, is vigilante. i havn't given any money  (yet) for the very reasons you describe...but i've read the thread and roland seems to be defending himself constantly.

[white logan]

 

Was never going to be any different Jim................ The whole debacle was never going to be any more than a clash of personalities from the outset.

6,000+ members on this site, and a maximum of 300 members using the site on a regular basis is far from a fair representation of the 33,000 RPRA membership  = .009%, divide that by the number who are for either campaign and what have you got PEANUTS

 

how very true bob and when you have peanuts , you have monkeys , i just ended my last post by saying "the pigeon unions including the RPRA should be fighting the birds of prey campaign , not fighting amoung ourselves , it needs putting very forcebly to the respective powers to do something

[Guest]

 

Thanks Scoobybob, I think we are all right, what is wrong is the way we are all going about it, bickering over who has the biggest balls on the playing field, who is in goals and who is the best manager, what the team will be called and I'm no playing with him attitude. In my short time in racing pigeons I have never seen so much bitching between grown men at all levels. Half of them wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit them on the *expletive removed* ;D

I have met some great people in pigeon fancying and made some true friends but I have also met some back stabbing, two faced, childish people along the way.

It is an individual sport/hobby that is full of individuals that don't need team work or loyalty to fellow members to participate so it leaves room for the I'm alright Jack mentality

 

in A NUTSHELL Chick you are spot on  

[pjc]

Its not often I join in on these arguments but thought I would put in my two peneth. I think chickadee has the right idea. The majority of the public think pigeons as vermin and will never support killing raptors in favour or pigeons. Now they may support a reduction in the amount of raptors to save our songbirds from extinction. This I believe is the bandwagon we should jump on. Perhaps a follow up from the Mail article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-561041/Cuckoos-disappearing-Britain-number-birds-migrating-Africa-plummets-80.html

 

This appears to be an old article revamped to keep them in the public eye! A true PR job!

[Guest spin cycle]

so stop fighting amongst ourselves get out there...fly the birds... learn/innovate and struggle !

[Guest scoobybob]

 

Thanks Scoobybob, I think we are all right, what is wrong is the way we are all going about it, bickering over who has the biggest balls on the playing field, who is in goals and who is the best manager, what the team will be called and I'm no playing with him attitude. In my short time in racing pigeons I have never seen so much bitching between grown men at all levels. Half of them wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit them on the *expletive removed* ;D

I have met some great people in pigeon fancying and made some true friends but I have also met some back stabbing, two faced, childish people along the way.

It is an individual sport/hobby that is full of individuals that don't need team work or loyalty to fellow members to participate so it leaves room for the I'm alright Jack mentality

 

Once again I agree with you. Its a sorry state of affairs when we start to loose members because of the bickering thats going on. The members we are loosing are folks who post every day and always try to join in of the conversations we cannot afford to loose members like this.

 

 

[Guest]

so stop fighting amongst ourselves get out there...fly the birds... learn/innovate and struggle !

 

Jim I ain't fighting with anybody, I have given a point of view. I have had this conversation with a small fraction of the pigeon fraternity, i.e. my local club membership, and the general consensus  of opinion, is a total ban on the liberty of our pigeons for a given period of time, seems to be the best solution. I will add that they ALL say that it has got to be across the board. I will admit that they also said it will be hard but felt it was the only logical way of solving the problem.................

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that taking away a good percentage of the food source (racing pigeons) is going to have a dramatic impact on the rest of the wild bird numbers of the UK. This in turn will then have the RPRA members asking them the questions, instead of us, and will in turn move public opinion away from the society that is at the very source of the problem.

[white logan]

 

Do you mean like the power the RPRA used when they were fighting defra for us  :-/   ;D ;D ;D

 

going "in with cap in hand" and being told what to think is not fighting your corner , they need telling what to say and member need to tell that they want a good PR firm on the job

[white logan]

 

You might tell them what to say but going on past performances they are not strong enough to carry it out a good pr firm has been asked for for years the answer will probably be we cant afford it or we are already doing it for you as best we can  :-/ ;D

 

then does that not make them redundant ?, they are out of date and out of touch , the "ostrich syndrome "will not work

[Roland]

Just to say white Logan, you have nothing to spout new. Everything you spout again and again is and has already been dealt with and if you can just read the first post on this topic again it is all there for you and such ilk to do just as you feel. Grab the mud and sling, you've run your course again to no avail.  Every inuendo and slant via you is and has been covered and why. End of.

A really sad man  :B :( :B

[Merlin]

Well those who advocate the idea of having the birds locked up for two years,and i have no doubt if you are successful,it will have a very detrimental affect on the bops, go take steps to try implement it then,in the meantime,why not cut out the silly rubbish talk,and let Roland who is pursuing other avenues,do so,doesnt matter to fanciers how its done,as long as its done,so stop talking go do it,and stop knocking others,with your inuendos,and correctness,in this instance the more the merrier

[chickadee]

I hope Roland and all the others pursue what they think is the best way to fight the cause. If I think something is right I will support it if I don't I won't, what can be more simpler than that. Surely we are all members of a forum with the right to have an opinion and a good debate about matters. Sadly clashes in personality have set in and I think they are all as bad as each other

I just want to stop or at least minimise this happening to my birds and I don't care who helps in achieving this

[Guest Freebird]

How's the wee bird now Chickadee? Did the "VET" make a good job oh stitchin it up. I remember a thread (Tee Hee Hee ) aboot this at the time.

[THE FIFER]

I think the most of this thread is just bitching and making accusations etc, and not of much interest for the enjoyment of the site, so will lock it, but leave it on for now to give members time to see it and why it was locked, but will be removing it shortly, and hope this ends the matter,

 

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