Deep Litter

[Roland]

Quoted from homer

personally , i dont like ANY deep litter !

     deep litter is for chicken and turkey farmers with hundreds of birds to look after.

     for me its a shallow litter and clean em out every day !

(gonna be contraversial now) deep litter in your average pigeon loft is for lazy fanciers that only want to muck out a couple a times a year !...................................................................................................................................... there u go , i said it.

Or folks that A. Don't have the time, or B. because they believe in it. Many successful lofts have had first class pigeons that have won at the top - Nationals etc. -on un - cleaned out  lofts...

Now if deep litter is a necessate then that has to be the case Homer ... or is it alright for the misuse jargon for wanting a ET timer a different matter ... no you can't have it both ways.

I only race two races all of last season, and 5 the season before... through time... why I have taken different employment ... Had to have electric put into the loft ... am away at 5 most morning and often not back till 6 or 9 or even later.( agreed sometime back at 5). Yes I am always knackered, and I only clean out twice a week, but I know that I'd be a darn sight better off having a Deep Litter system, and that wouldn't be because of being lazy, not because of a 'Must do' but because I actually well believe in it, and above all it has very many good merits in regards the benefit of the birds.

[Roland]

You've obviously put alot of thought into this and can't see anything wrong with deep litter systems run properly,the problem comes with fanciers who don't know what they are doing or worse  ... that can be sid of most things in this sport ... just look at the crap scenario of Line / Inbreeding. 90% haven't the first inkling, but take a line and draw a universe. THAT incess breeding is the cause of many and much detrimental happenings to our birds ... but AS ONE reads that SO and so does it and he is a winner, and I want ... it is ok I suppose. and Hang the cost eh! :K) :

 

[Guest]

 

what makes this thread different from any other Paul in the length of time it is kept running ? is that not the idea of them being kept on here so that members can go back and reply to something they may have missed, everybody has gave an opinion on what other members do as maybe regarding feeding methods or flying methods, you yourself have expressed an opinion on threads and posts, that is the whole point of a discussion forum, so members can discuss and debate on what each member does, and how many normal threads have an element of hostility in them somewhere, one example of you bringing things back up was the saga of coxy, how many threads did you start or bring up regarding that  ? you can't criticise somebody for bringing up older threads , that is what they are there for, i myself have brought up threads when i thought they had some relevance at some point no matter how old they were, lately i have saw threads brought up that were more than a year old , nobody lambasted them,this is like a library , things are stored for members to read, new members will go back through threads that are old and if they find something to reply to they must be allowed to bring it back up, older threads brought back up always seem to get more replies so things kept running are a much needed thing, what would happen if things were deleted after a brief spell on the forum, how can you then bring things back and let them run on,calm down and get a grip of yourself and behave . ;)

 

tammy,its not my intention to stop sensible threads running but im on about threads that insult people like this has done in one of the posts about fanciers with deep litter!....may i also state that i have not repeatedly started threads about coxy but mainly added to them!!my opinion...because i was one who was nearly duped by him!

i find wot has been said about deep litter fanciers disrespectful and thats why i have posted to this thread, which has already gone through enough info for anyone to know anything about it(has u have metioned threads are for)...but it hasnt stopped there and its getting to the point where some are starting to get personal and thats when u should urself agree it has gone past where it was once ok for info.

 

im sure if u found a thread disrspectful then ud be the 1st to add ur view about it...well im no different .

the insults have come from one fancier who has seen a few deep litter lofts and tarred us all(who use deep litter) with the same brush.

to be honest im one who,s fed up of this site lately ,certainly from fanciers who be little others ways of flying.

i can also see richard having enough and closing it down if the situation in the main forum doesnt change.

all the best paul.

 

[homer]

really cant believe dollies are coming out of prams over this 1 little thread.

     invincible_spirit you like deep litter i dont ! whats the problem . im not being disrespectfull? i am just quoting facts ..... i have been in very dirty sheds and been told by the owner that they are employing the 'deep litter system'  ?

     im not tarring you or anyone else with any brush . im just saying that i dont believe in cleaning out a loft full of pigeons twice a year , i believe in cleaning them out every day.

     why is this such a big deal ??

 

 

[Guest]

really cant believe dollies are coming out of prams over this 1 little thread.

     invincible_spirit you like deep litter i dont ! whats the problem . im not being disrespectfull? i am just quoting facts ..... i have been in very dirty sheds and been told by the owner that they are employing the 'deep litter system'  ?

     im not tarring you or anyone else with any brush . im just saying that i dont believe in cleaning out a loft full of pigeons twice a year , i believe in cleaning them out every day.

     why is this such a big deal ??

 

Agree totally,no need for a load of abuse,some people are too sensitive to the point of being parranoid.

 

[homer]

Agree totally,no need for a load of abuse,some people are too sensitive to the point of being parranoid.

 

thanks chrissy ,

thought i was going off my head ??

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

really cant believe dollies are coming out of prams over this 1 little thread.

     invincible_spirit you like deep litter i dont ! whats the problem . im not being disrespectfull? i am just quoting facts ..... i have been in very dirty sheds and been told by the owner that they are employing the 'deep litter system'  ?

     im not tarring you or anyone else with any brush . im just saying that i dont believe in cleaning out a loft full of pigeons twice a year , i believe in cleaning them out every day.

     why is this such a big deal ??

 

homer as i one of those that only clean out twice a year im not one of those u are suggesting and i dont know anyone personally who uses deep litter, does only clean out twice a year.

this evidence of deep litter lofts is only from ur experience and as anything in life ,minds shouldnt  be made up from wot u have personally only seen of it.

it should be based upon a variety of lofts that use deep litter correctly,i know that some do leave their lofts to get in a state and that is lazy,but believe me when i say that correcetly used deep litter lofts are dry and have not piled up droppings.

........this will be my last post on this thread as im leaving the site,as i dont want to leave on a sour note i wish u have a good year in racing this season and thanks for the replys over the time ive been here...paul

 

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

thanks chrissy ,

thought i was going off my head ??

 

 

 

 

you are off your head  

[homer]

 

you are off your head  

 

THATS IT IM LEAVING !!!!

 

 

 

only joking ............................ im a grown up !

 

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

THATS IT IM LEAVING !!!!

 

 

 

only joking ............................ im a grown up !

 

 

 

who told you that you were a grown up ?

[homer]

my mum

[Guest TAMMY_1]

my mum

 

she tells lies as well  ;D ;D ;D

[homer]

 

she tells lies as well  ;D ;D ;D

 

now you've hurt my feelings ..................

im leaving the site !

 

 

 

 

[Roland]

Twice a year! Rubbish once every 2 years is more than enough ... then take tha birds out, saturate in Cresote, and leave to dry. 2- 3 Weeks later replace the birds, there done, healthy contented and happy birds!

[Merlin]

There is no set way,a fanciers vanity leads him to assume his is the only way,Ive been to lofts that have been uncleaned for years,with the resultant droppings forming deep litter,and housing as healthy and winning birds as you might want  ,also been to state of the art loft costing a fortune,cleaned on a daily basis,but with a good degree of different ailments on an ongoing basis,health of birds is the yardstick by what system is adequate,not forgetting a healthy birds dry droppings is one of the most natural and efficient pro bios a fancier can use,whatever suits oneself,as long as birds are contented and healthy with the system,what fanciers are lacking in is some serious doses of common sense.

[retired]

Have not read therough the whole thread so sorry if i am repeating someone elses comments.

 

Hemcore is a good product for the floor - made for horses but very good i use floor grills in most of the loft and the remaining loft will be done in the next week or two i dont think you can beat them

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Have not read therough the whole thread so sorry if i am repeating someone elses comments.

 

Hemcore is a good product for the floor - made for horses but very good i use floor grills in most of the loft and the remaining loft will be done in the next week or two i dont think you can beat them

 

did try hempcore as well, found it breaks down far too easily into a powder and becomes too messy and was not particularily much use for breaking down the droppings either

[Roland]

personally , i dont like ANY deep litter !

     deep litter is for chicken and turkey farmers with hundreds of birds to look after.

     for me its a shallow litter and clean em out every day !

(gonna be contraversial now) deep litter in your average pigeon loft is for lazy fanciers that only want to muck out a couple a times a year !...................................................................................................................................... there u go , i said it.

 

Just read again what you said...Lazy Fanciers   :-/

[Roland]

There is no set way,a fanciers vanity leads him to assume his is the only way,Ive been to lofts that have been uncleaned for years,with the resultant droppings forming deep litter,and housing as healthy and winning birds as you might want  ,also been to state of the art loft costing a fortune,cleaned on a daily basis,but with a good degree of different ailments on an ongoing basis,health of birds is the yardstick by what system is adequate,not forgetting a healthy birds dry droppings is one of the most natural and efficient pro bios a fancier can use,whatever suits oneself,as long as birds are contented and healthy with the system,what fanciers are lacking in is some serious doses of common sense.

 

First class realistic and very true Post!! Think on it, there are very many reasons put in the above  post as to why Deep litter has many and above all good merits ... :

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Was shown some easi-bed at Blackpool and it looks quite good as a floor cover, maybe give it a try in one of the smallest lofts to see how it works

[Guest blythy1]

Was shown some easi-bed at Blackpool and it looks quite good as a floor cover, maybe give it a try in one of the smallest lofts to see how it works

 

I use that easi-bed in the stock loft and think its the best deep litter on the market.

[homer]

really cant believe dollies are coming out of prams over this 1 little thread.

     invincible_spirit you like deep litter i dont ! whats the problem . im not being disrespectfull? i am just quoting facts ..... i have been in very dirty sheds and been told by the owner that they are employing the 'deep litter system'  ?

     im not tarring you or anyone else with any brush . im just saying that i dont believe in cleaning out a loft full of pigeons twice a year , i believe in cleaning them out every day.

     why is this such a big deal ??

 

 

the post you are so shocked about roland is over 2 months old and all the agro that came with it was resolved (in a very sensible and reasonable way)at the time ,so i dont want it all raked over again (like deep litter).

i also made the above post !

each to their own !

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

I use that easi-bed in the stock loft and think its the best deep litter on the market.

 

that is where I intend giving it a try to begin with.

[Guest]

 

I use that easi-bed in the stock loft and think its the best deep litter on the market.

 

I use the easi bed in both my lofts not as deep litter though I pick up the droppings off the top every day but its good stuff and keeps their feet nice too

[frank-123]

tammy i have used easy bed in my lofts sine my friend told me about it the birds love it i just bought 4 bags from galloway and mcleod yesterday  £4.95 a 25 kg bag goes a long way

getting a pup on saturday and the kennel will be filled with easy bed as well