yb losses

[jimmy white]

what do fanciers put down to the horrendous yb losses each year ??   they can be winning for  weeks,,,,,,,,then it happens,,,bang [either sooner or later ]

[Guest spin cycle]

what do fanciers put down to the horrendous yb losses each year ??   they can be winning for  weeks,,,,,,,,then it happens,,,bang [either sooner or later ]

 

i've only been racing 3 years so yb slow vels./ birds out/ lost alltogether is all i know...i even decided not to breed a yb bird team next year just breed some latebreds to replenish my ob ( i could also close my stock loft ). but i won't ...come dec. i'll be pairing. we can go on about reasons....but how about MONEY.  

[ChrisMaidment08]

to many birds croing each other young birds get carrled away with the excitement and keep flying then its to late tired hungry lost

[jimmy white]

to many birds croing each other young birds get carrled away with the excitement and keep flying then its to late tired hungry lost

 

this  is true chris 08, but in years gone by,, we had a lot more birds ,,members etc ,,,,,,,,,we [for instance] sent approx 710  birds to the second club race penrith   nearly 6,000 in fed with allmost 100pc returns ,,,,,whats so different these days ?? smaller numbers are sent ,  there are fewer members  now,,,yet the losses are greater , :-/ :-/ :-/

allthough i agree with you chris , with each  feds yb,s getting liberated , close together [both timewise and racepointwise] and also, yb,s will get carried away ,and excited and keep flying etc,,,,,,,,,,,, but this also happened years ago  ,,,,,,,,,,but we still didnt have so many losses , even late yb,s eventually got  home,,

 

in 1958 i raced 9 yb,s to a chicken hut [with the chickens in it ;D] i started off with 9 [first toss was on the bike ;D] then they went by train. [stationmaster at eskbank station weighed them ,for the price , ;D ; thats why we used a cardboard egg box     "lighter, ;D,,,, lighter still if you put your foot under  the scales,they were in ;D ;D ;D " they went,, along with plenty other birds from all over, to heriot about `10 miles ,fountainhall 15 miles stow 20 miles, galashiels 25miles  then we could jump them to hawick about 50  miles ,they done this toss everyday [cycling to the station]  for about a fortnight b4 the first race [brand new cardboard box, every time ;D  ,very clean ,no desease  ] STILL had the 9 birds [and the dozen chickens ;D ;D ;D],, but the point is,, these birds flew , right up to the yb national..[ then cheltenham 300 miles ] not a puny 200 odd miles we have now out of the 9 birds we started with ,we had 7 left after the yb national [still got the loft  book to proove it ]  the point being , i wasnt the only one like this ,,most fanciers were the same, having lost only the odd bids ,, this could or would not happen today,, so, hence my post ,,,,whats so different about nowadays ???? that we loose  all these  birds, sometimes all  in ,,one go  

         grandpa broon ,,,sorry white ;D ;D ;D ,

[Tony C]

What’s different nowadays? Young birds reaching sexual maturity much earlier and this is used to motivate them to race must have a lot to do with it. Darkness coupled with early breeding = no moulting when racing = bags of energy. Take a look at them in the race crate, they're like yearlings lol their eyes are popping out of their head raring to go. To make an analogy I suppose you could look at it like learning to ride a bike, no stabilisers for these, they're learning to ride on a 500cc road bike from the outset such is the difference body & maturity wise. They've energy in abundance but not the experience to handle it.

[jimmy white]

1,, are the birds of the same quality [constitution-wise]???

 

2,, hawks are rife now,, and , allthough might only kill one,,will scatter a whole lib , leaving them with little or no faculties [shock] , thats the ones that havent been ,maimed or injured due to their panick , flying into all and sundry.

 

3   the weather is more unsettled nowadays, than of old ???

 

4. are the fanciers of a different quality nowadays  [management-wise] , with darkness systems, lightness systems etc,,,,over keen to win a short 60mile yb race , by   keeping them hungry etc ,,,i find some diets, leave   a lot to be desired ,, for a growing young bird,   these diets will give you a winner, but what about the ones that make a mistake [these  usually make  the best o,bs, if they return]  these "new diet birds " cannot last more than a few hours on the wing without being skin and bone ,dehydrated , therefore ,,again loosing their faculties, due to this. [in my opinion]

5. whats in the air nowadays ,, waves of all sorts ,, mobile  phones, radar, airwaves polluted , satelite etc,,

6 being an aerial rigger most of my working days had noticed that the old back and white tv,, was v,h f,,[ very high freq., ]then changed to u,h f   [ultra high freq.] i found losses began to escalate from there on

 

all these points ,just makes one wonder,,one thing is ,,we  need to find out,, for at this rate ,,,,there will be no pigeon racing in the years to come,,,,,,,,,,,,food for thought

[jimmy white]

What’s different nowadays? Young birds reaching sexual maturity much earlier and this is used to motivate them to race must have a lot to do with it. Darkness coupled with early breeding = no moulting when racing = bags of energy. Take a look at them in the race crate, they're like yearlings lol their eyes are popping out of their head raring to go. To make an analogy I suppose you could look at it like learning to ride a bike, no stabilisers for these, they're learning to ride on a 500cc road bike from the outset such is the difference body & maturity wise. They've energy in abundance but not the experience to handle it.

 

exactly  ,,one thing you cant do,,is put an old head on young shoulders             [you feeling   like me tony,, lousy  ;D up all night,,second night like that  ] anyway just posting ,,passing thoughts

 

[Sajfos]

Think Salmonella /Paratyphus the most likely .

[jimmy white]

Think Salmonella /Paratyphus the most likely .

 

dont tell me  tony and i have that as well ;D ;D ;D

 

no, but seriously , i do see your point

[Guest spin cycle]

What’s different nowadays? Young birds reaching sexual maturity much earlier and this is used to motivate them to race must have a lot to do with it. Darkness coupled with early breeding = no moulting when racing = bags of energy. Take a look at them in the race crate, they're like yearlings lol their eyes are popping out of their head raring to go. To make an analogy I suppose you could look at it like learning to ride a bike, no stabilisers for these, they're learning to ride on a 500cc road bike from the outset such is the difference body & maturity wise. They've energy in abundance but not the experience to handle it.

 

definitly something in this particularly young cocks(think someone else said similar on another thread). i also think some fanciers try to break yb stray cocks they like.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

1,, are the birds of the same quality [constitution-wise]???

 

2,, hawks are rife now,, and , allthough might only kill one,,will scatter a whole lib , leaving them with little or no faculties [shock] , thats the ones that havent been ,maimed or injured due to their panick , flying into all and sundry.

 

3   the weather is more unsettled nowadays, than of old ???

 

4. are the fanciers of a different quality nowadays  [management-wise] , with darkness systems, lightness systems etc,,,,over keen to win a short 60mile yb race , by   keeping them hungry etc ,,,i find some diets, leave   a lot to be desired ,, for a growing young bird,   these diets will give you a winner, but what about the ones that make a mistake [these  usually make  the best o,bs, if they return]  these "new diet birds " cannot last more than a few hours on the wing without being skin and bone ,dehydrated , therefore ,,again loosing their faculties, due to this. [in my opinion]

5. whats in the air nowadays ,, waves of all sorts ,, mobile  phones, radar, airwaves polluted , satelite etc,,

6 being an aerial rigger most of my working days had noticed that the old back and white tv,, was v,h f,,[ very high freq., ]then changed to u,h f   [ultra high freq.] i found losses began to escalate from there on

 

all these points ,just makes one wonder,,one thing is ,,we  need to find out,, for at this rate ,,,,there will be no pigeon racing in the years to come,,,,,,,,,,,,food for thought

 

You made the same 6 points that i would have done myself Jimmy and in the same order as well.

 

 

[Guest KING BILLY]

the problem i find is the fancer the pigeons of old did do som fantastik volise but the men then did not apreshet them that much thay all preverd good 1100 to 13oo vel wins  and u find all good distent races are normally at this vol but if u have a seson with high vel and thay are not at the front thay go and bring in van this and van that and the pigeons that are i11oo vel are put in the bin to make way for thess supper pigeons u then hit a 300ml race and boom thay dont time the old time doo men i no where only interested in distent races and only ever had 12 to 30 young ones and alwas completed the program

[Delboy]

Is there not a spell check on this forum ;D

[Guest 67ghirl]

Is there not a spell check on this forum ;D

 

Are you sure you got a not misbehaving email????

I don't think so lol (dizzy)

[OLDYELLOW]

well i agree with most reasons for the huge losses , new methods birds been better feathered due to darkness or the light systems , and the search for the fastest pigeons high velocitys only happen when the birds have got the wind up there *expletive removed* , when such pigeons have a no wind or head wind conditions to contend with and suffer bad losses its these super fast wind machines that suffer the most due to the nature of breeding for pure high speed , if the focus was the same as it were 50 year ago and wanting to breed a family of birds to compete at all levels up to the longest races 500+ miles we would have both fast and reliable pigeons that fly in any conditions. But we all know with a modern lifestyle it's the sprinters that are getting the huge sale prices and win over a short distance , as we fly more shorter races than long ones and the price gets higher the further miles you go this also discourages distance races where money is short .What should be happening is a one bird price across the board from shortest race to longest race then the glory would suit the working mans pocket.

[Guest Paulo]

What’s different nowadays? Young birds reaching sexual maturity much earlier and this is used to motivate them to race must have a lot to do with it. Darkness coupled with early breeding = no moulting when racing = bags of energy. Take a look at them in the race crate, they're like yearlings lol their eyes are popping out of their head raring to go. To make an analogy I suppose you could look at it like learning to ride a bike, no stabilisers for these, they're learning to ride on a 500cc road bike from the outset such is the difference body & maturity wise. They've energy in abundance but not the experience to handle it.

 

Exactly then if you get a fst blow home day some birds get carried away and fly for miles over the top then have to come back against the tail wind which carried them so far which has turned into a head wind!

 

Also people racing yb's to the corn tin trying to win sprint races then it turns into a hard day cause of weather etc and the bird has no fuel in the tank and is screwed.

[Novice]

Obviously there are several reasons for young bird losses. It's a complex problem.

 

Last weekend Lanarkshire had a perfect race on Saturday while the remainder had a disaster on Sunday while racing from the same area and in some cases the same race point.

I believe the hawks would be just as active on Saturday as they were on Sunday. This allows us to conclude that they are only partly responsible for poor racing.

 

I would suggest that we have all arranged racing from the east now and the area is simply overcrowded with convoys of inexperienced birds all trying to navigate. As the west route seems to be disaster prone then the answer would not be to use a westerly route but to stagger liberations.

Let's face it there is no reason why we must race on a Saturday

 

I would be interested to know how Kingdom Fed was for returns if they raced on Friday as I believe was the plan.

  

[Tony C]

Is there not a spell check on this forum ;D

 

Would one in pidgin english do ya

[Bluedoo]

Obviously there are several reasons for young bird losses. It's a complex problem.

 

Last weekend Lanarkshire had a perfect race on Saturday while the remainder had a disaster on Sunday while racing from the same area and in some cases the same race point.

I believe the hawks would be just as active on Saturday as they were on Sunday. This allows us to conclude that they are only partly responsible for poor racing.

 

I would suggest that we have all arranged racing from the east now and the area is simply overcrowded with convoys of inexperienced birds all trying to navigate. As the west route seems to be disaster prone then the answer would not be to use a westerly route but to stagger liberations.

Let's face it there is no reason why we must race on a Saturday

 

I would be interested to know how Kingdom Fed was for returns if they raced on Friday as I believe was the plan.

  

 

Regarding flying down the east, most Feds moved there because of horendous losses down the west.

When you transported by rail, you had bigger convoys, all using the same corridors, yet the losses were not significant. The potential for clashing then was probably far greater than it is today.

The pigeons you had were not trained to the same extent. Mine certainly weren't. Didn't have a car. If they got 1 toss a week it was classed as well trained.

Is it new feeding techniques, far lighter feeding, birds are flown out in hours with no reserves.

Or is it generations of birds, bred from birds that wouldn't know the outside of their loft if they could see it.

There seems to me to be a lot of birds that have lost their homing ability (but have wonderful expensive pedigrees). Your stock pigeons used to be your race team. You only bred from proven stock, not what was written on a piece of paper.

[Guest]

big losses in america as well ,perhaps our goverment has a new toy playing with because of the terror threats ,ie,listening devices ,spy sats ,and who knows what ,all pushing out stronger vibes than before and our birds cant cope with it ,one things for sure the powers to be wont tell us if they have, ATB les.

[Guest cloudview]

debatable subject  , but why is it the same fanciers year after year  having heavy losses  every sat night the same questins are ie any missing an you can nearly garantee whose going havethe worst   , you see them in the basket before marking , they look like theyv,e just done a marathon , pick them up , not agrain anything to be felt in the crop , and they wonder why they have lost them , mine are well fed , not overtrained  my losses are almost nil example year 05 lost 1 year 06 none year 07 six  this year up to now having 4 races 2 down ,   tomuch overtraining and not enough fuel

[frank-123]

thought feeding them heavy before a short race was the wrong thing to do

i feed mine at 12.00 friday then thats them until return from the race on a saturday what time do you feed cloudview?

[Guest cloudview]

i usually feed between  10  30 and 1200 noon depending on the forecast  given an d the estimated time they will be on wing   ikn ow its ajuggling act some times  ie early lib or late lib in other words feed for the weather con ditions , you might not alwats get a good trap  , but they,ve always got abit in the tank in case of sticky days admitted i dont win a great wiyh ybs , but to me they are my future channel team , im happy , ive won one and third fed 3500 birds  so ive had my share so to speak

[Delboy]

Is there not a spell check on this forum ;D

 

No offence intended , just my poor sense of humour.  

[blackswan]

young birds being lost due to bad controlling and not paying attention to where the other feds are lying on race day.