this system works my dad won last 3 races on this

[jimmy white]

thank you phil   the best of luck to you   after reading your posts , im sure youll be successfull and enjoy your racing in the future

[Guest pigeon82]

do you not race nemore jimmy

[Guest Freebird]

 

hi pigeon82 please dont think i am paying any dis-regard to you, quite the opposite in fact , i congratulate both you and your father on your excellent results , i also thank you for your input to the forum , which to me, has prooved, very interesting indeed   and to win with pigeons to-day , your postings   actually proove the point , i say the best of luck to you and your father , may you continue winning,    if i were racing pigeons to-day and off course wanted to win, im afraid to say , i would have be honest ,and have  to do something similar regards methods etc . the thing i was trying to explain , was, after a lifetime of racing,and keeping pigeons , i have seen many changes in the way we have moulded our modern day racing pigeons [all of us ] to what they are to-day, to-day we have losses that we cannot comprehend , we have deseases we cannot comprehend [and off course the hawk problem has gotten out of control] anti-biotics [allthough a great invention and typicaly ;D made ,by a scotsman ;D ;D ;D,] have saved many human lives, when prescribed by a doctor,,, but could be the death of us, if used by us, willy nilly, which any decent doctor would off course not allow, the reason being, the same as our pigeons, our body or more to the point the pigeons body, contains good bacteria and bad bacteria , and when the bad bacteria beat the good bacteria ,the pigeon ,becomes  ill , we now resort to very easily gotten antibiotics [some we know nothing about ,being laymen ] these anti-biotics will kill all bacteria ,,,good and bad , therefore lowering the birds immune system , over many years of doing this, at an abnormally high rate, [ some ,or even most fanciers,at least,,] in my opinion , have did exactly that, brought down the immune system in the pigeon , to what we have   to-day i,e birds with un-naturaly lowered immune systems , being bred through and through them , for generations,,,,, deseases, mutating ,to fight the anti-biotic, this is where the vicious circle starts,, top avian vets and scientists are now producing different anti-biotics to combat this , off course the vicious circle carries on , and will continue to do so,in reality , we are too late to do anything about this ,,allthough ,it could be possible [very highly unlikely] as this would take more years to undo than it did to do.   even treating for worms cocci, canker,  more often than neccessary,  will lower their resistence to fight these safe levels ,again breeding generations of  birds incapable of fighting these safe levels that all pigeons have,,,,again  the vicious circle ,, and all our own doing ,,,,we now need to treat , vaccinate , prop up, pigeons to have them win, but by doing so,    allways going round this vicious circle,, kick against nature and it will kick back, this has most certainly prooved true in the last decade , i thank you for your contribution of your posting pigeon82 , anything discussed  about pigeons is allways interesting   and certainly makes a change from political arguements rife with us these days , my recipy for success is,, keep talking pigeons [the pigeons themselves] and you will win with pigeons   :) good luck, and happy racing, to both you and your father   :) kindest regards

That's exactly what I was tying to say, I think?(wiseman)Good on ye Jimmy.

[Guest pigeon82]

if thats wat you were meant to say then at least people have good thoughts on ere thats the only reason i posted it to help people i wouldnt hide nething if you give a little you tend to get a little more info whicch helps along wayi hope everyone who tries something along these lines all the best it helped me and the father and hope it can help more there is nothing like competition

[jacksafc]

Just come across this today, was thinking of sending for it this week if its the one i'm thinking of.

Thanks a lot 82.

Jack

[Guest dogeon]

 

 

One wise man   ;) & one of the best things one can spend their money on etc, before buying all those goodies   :P is a microscope & then learn how to use it.

Enjoy.

totally agree i lost out on a good season for not knowing what was wrong, you have to wait for the droppings test, when the main things you can see yourself with a scope, and not resulting in treating blind

 

[Guest smudger1964]

This system contains all you need to knowto keep your birds in perfecthealth without which you will not win races. I will not bore you with pages of bullshit but get straight to the point.

STEP 1 should be carried out with old birds as well as youngsters at least a month to six weeks before racing starts. Vaccination againest paratyphoid/salmonella. this illness is very hard to detect. The pigeons look look OK, train OK but are justthat yard behind the winners. A top Belgian vet has stated that 95% of lofts world wide have this disease in their lofts without knowing it. They have what are known as  carriers, you will not get any good results until this disease is eleminated or kept under control. That is a fact, get them vaccinatednow!! (TRIMETHOPRIM) followed by 5 days withwith any good probiotic and multivit mixed together. after 5 days vaccinate all birds followed by 2 days probiotic and vitamins.

STEP 2 One week to ten days after vaccination treat for canker. we use metronidazole  :Xtablets. make sure any tablets used are200mg not 500mg, cut the tablet into four quarters and use one quarter per day for three days only. please note we give a quarter of a tablet every third week when racing old and young. Do not forget any canker treatment use multivits at any time during the racing season, please note that we do nottreat for cocci as in our food for rasing we use chicken layer pellets which containan anticocci stat.

STEP3 worms, we always treat for worms with mediworm a very good product. one tablet per bird. Always leave approximately one week between treatments.

STEP4 is the treatment for respitory diseasewe treat for five to seven days with doxycycline. The product we use is lased with with multivits so no need for any vits after treatment We use 'doxy' every three to four weeks when racing for two days alternate with canker treatment, one week after return from racetreat for canker the next day, we always use on Sunday and Monday.

STEP5 Is the most important of all. Why do birds lose the edge after a decent result or two? Well the big problem is 9 times out of 10 is fungal or thrush as it is known. unless you treat this for five days you will not get your birds back in racing condition. Fungal problems are mainly brought on by the abuse of antibiotics. We would urge you to use Medistatin which is our preferred treatment for fungal/candida problems. No treatment= crap results!! Simple as that. The nystatin powder we use is the one made specifically for pigeons in the world, good stuff. We use every four weeks ,only if your pigeons are coming ok and our among the prizes treat every six weeks. use this system as stated and if you have any decent pigeons you will be amongst the prizes most weeks (FACT)

Our feeding system is quite simple we always use diet200 on a morning, never depuritive,1/2 oz per bird and Versa Laga Super Widowhood Plus on a night 1 oz approximately.4 x 12 mile training tosses every week for the firast six weeks then 2 a week for the rest of the season. Stick it to it never change (sprint racing only)  cider vineger twice per week oregostim in water (good stuff). Stick to the system details for top results.

STEP6 is our super boost feed for Thursday and Friday morning when racing. Mix a small bag of Homaform(1/2oz per bird), a small bag of golden boost(old hand) 4 bags of ricelong grained from the super market, plus 1 small bag of conditioner (natural) mix all of this together and feed as stated. They will be off like rockets! I guarentee if you stick to this sysem 100% top results will come your way. GOOD LUCK

 

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU OUT MATE MY DAD GOT IT FROM SOMEONE CALLED JR AND AS YOU SAW IT WORKED FOR HIM ALSO IN THOSE 3 RACES HE HAD BIRDS IN THE FED AND COMBINE SO IT DEFINATELY WORKS LET ME KNOW WAT YOU THINK OF IT :X :X :X :X :X

what a crock of sh** i did  this system two years ago on twelve birds my results were crap compared to the other twelve that had no antis and would not advise any one puting that ammount of antibiotics into there birds your just putting there amuinity down for worser things to get in (para, selmenella)

 

 

[Guest]

Well said .................. these articles need sanctioning especially as there are young fanciers and novices on here

[Guest smudger1964]

MY DAD WON 3 THIMES ;D ;D ;D    PLEASE TELL ME WHY HE DIDNT WIN MORE IF IT WORKED COMMON SENSE HE WOULD OF ENTERED MOOR RACES ITS ALOAD OF BULL sh**. :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[jacksafc]

Eloquently put smudger.

But i dare bet most top flyers use a system not far removed from the one in question.

As far as immunity goes these birds only have this regime for what? 14 weeks a year, if they get treated every 4 weeks on Doxy say, thats 6 days plus the 5 days at the start of the season, say 2 weeks overall, if you include cocci and canker thats 6 weeks from 52, 11%, does that really cause immunity problems,.

 

Although veterinary testing is probably best i've never been sure what it can determine apart from the obvious worms, cocci and canker, I've read that Para doesnt always show and not sure if respiratory problems can be detected.

 

Blanket treating has been used for years and although frowned upon by many "new age" fanciers it fits the bill.

 

Just a thought.

[Guest smudger1964]

Eloquently put smudger.

But i dare bet most top flyers use a system not far removed from the one in question.

As far as immunity goes these birds only have this regime for what? 14 weeks a year, if they get treated every 4 weeks on Doxy say, thats 6 days plus the 5 days at the start of the season, say 2 weeks overall, if you include cocci and canker thats 6 weeks from 52, 11%, does that really cause immunity problems,.

 

Although veterinary testing is probably best i've never been sure what it can determine apart from the obvious worms, cocci and canker, I've read that Para doesnt always show and not sure if respiratory problems can be detected.

 

Blanket treating has been used for years and although frowned upon by many "new age" fanciers it fits the bill.

 

Just a thought.

I Would say that any ammuinity would be down if having antis, therefore being on a transporter with infected birds or carriers would put your birds at risk during race season, if treating with antis during race season, respirtory can be heard with a trained ear and eye

the main point is that viruses, bacteria and other things get use to antis so are less afective anyway

its probably the new age fanciers that cause so much birds losses due to illness and spreading illness

 

 

[Guest pigeon82]

i aint insulting noone u r and as for some people it works my advice is try it you never no obviously it wont work for everyone but it gives people different ideas and theories

[Guest pigeon82]

im not saying you didnt try the system but at least its on here for others to read if u look further up the page alot of others are interested good advice passed on to people thats wat i say

[just ask me]

afraid to say lads but all top flyer's are using a system like this or very close   too it

[Guest smudger1964]

YOU CAN GIVE ADVICE BUT CAN'T MAKE AN APPOLIGY FOR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT ME, SAYS IT ALL

[Guest pigeon82]

thank you just ask me just trying to put the point across trying to help others

[Guest dogeon]

afraid to say lads but all top flyer's are using a system like this or very close   too it

 

not all top flyers lol  ;D ;D

[just ask me]

 

not all top flyers lol  ;D ;D

 

id say 99% are using a system very close and they do medicate during the racing season

[Guest smudger1964]

YOU CAN GIVE ADVICE BUT CAN'T MAKE AN APPOLIGY FOR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT ME, SAYS IT ALL

 

 

ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER TO THIS THREAD

 

[supersonic steptoe]

your very right to be worried, all we hear now on pigeons is the next medications being used

[WulDon]

the lad is only trying to give some sound advise which has been tested and proven!

 

i'll bet if u asked your top flyers from around the UK they are all using a form of system not far from the quoted above to obtain not just results but super performances that most of us dream about.

 

i understand the concern about lowering the immune system of the pigeon, now a days does it really matter as we dont see many pigeons on the results from inland racing over 3 year old now, so in my opinion go for it in a sensible approach and win as much as you could from them before you are wiped out by either poor race conditions, clashing or the dreaded raptor problem!... only my opinion.

[Guest IB]

As far as immunity goes these birds only have this regime for what? 14 weeks a year, if they get treated every 4 weeks on Doxy say, thats 6 days plus the 5 days at the start of the season, say 2 weeks overall, if you include cocci and canker thats 6 weeks from 52, 11%, does that really cause immunity problems,.

 

Blanket treating has been used for years and although frowned upon by many "new age" fanciers it fits the bill.

 

 

The treatment you describe is to medicate where illness is not apparent.

 

No antibiotic has a 100% kill-rate. Those few thousand? bacteria that survive are immune to that antibiotic. In addition, they are immune to that whole class of antibiotics. In 24/48 hours they are also likely to be back at the same level as before the antibiotic was given, the difference being that every one of the new lot is antibiotic-resistant. And they are able to swop genes with other like bacteria making those bacteria immune to that whole class of antibiotics too. All this after one dose.

 

Yes blanket treatment with antibiotics has gone on for years in lots of places - not just pigeons, but in farming, health services etc and has led to the rise of superbugs in hospitals e.g. C. diff, MRSA  and strains of antibiotic-resistant canker in pigeons. Bugs are becoming resistant faster than new antibiotics can be produced.

 

'New age' is perhaps an appropriate term, no doubt you perhaps meant it otherwise. It means knowledge and understanding of the consequence of our actions.

 

 

[jacksafc]

Eloquently put smudger.

But i dare bet most top flyers use a system not far removed from the one in question.

As far as immunity goes these birds only have this regime for what? 14 weeks a year, if they get treated every 4 weeks on Doxy say, thats 6 days plus the 5 days at the start of the season, say 2 weeks overall, if you include cocci and canker thats 6 weeks from 52, 11%, does that really cause immunity problems,.

 

Although veterinary testing is probably best i've never been sure what it can determine apart from the obvious worms, cocci and canker, I've read that Para doesnt always show and not sure if respiratory problems can be detected.

 

Blanket treating has been used for years and although frowned upon by many "new age" fanciers it fits the bill.

 

Just a thought.

 

I recently re started 3 years ago after about a 15 year break and although the 2 days a week thing wasn't common knowledge it was still usual to blanket treat all birds with the same medication used nowadays and often to treat mid season as a precaution.

I imagine that while most discuss the rights and wrongs of routine medication a lot of the top men have movd on and are years ahead of this.

[just ask me]

well said and id say 99% of all top class fanicers  use  something along this lines

[jacksafc]

I probably agree with medicating only when neccessary but in real terms all fanciers dont have acces to an avian veterinarian and how many times a tear would this testing be needed.

In the past we used to send dropping samples to specialist pigeon vets who would advise treating for worms, canker etc but in the case of respiratory infections etc its not so easily diagnosed by a novice fancier and blanket teatments remove some of he doubt.

 

Anyway this is digresing from the original thread which i thought was intersting and helpful.