1 loft races allowed in general races. yes/no

[Guest puresoontjen]

 

I don't care either way Mark, being honest mate, Van Link posts excellent questions, and numpty or not I would like them to continue even if it bothers others.   I'm not here for the crack, I come on here for these types of questions, so long live Van Link.    

 

you got some brown stuff on your nose ;D ;D ;D

[ch pied]

i have no axe to grind with anyone on this .

 

1 loft races , in the true sence , would mean that they are in .

 

1 loft .

 

1 management system .

 

1 loft bird's convoyed & lib on their own .

 

if convoyed with a fed , i do not think it can be called a 1 loft race in the true sence

[superstar]

 

I don't care either way Mark, being honest mate, Van Link posts excellent questions, and numpty or not I would like them to continue even if it bothers others.   I'm not here for the crack, I come on here for these types of questions, so long live Van Link.    

 

I just quoted what you had said, nothing personal as you wern't the one made the assumption in the first place but like you I find these sort of threads and debates interesting. I just wanted to point out the fact they are NOT the same person as to take away credibility from the thread in anyway

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

if their is a profit from the R.P.R.A. one loft race .surly it will be put back in to the R.P.R.A . so as  the cash will help out in other ways in the R.P.R.A .

the profit was for the future of the sport what that intails god knows i beleave the young fancier idea was shelved by commitee so i think it is to publicise the big nobs ready for their mbe for sport ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest]

 

you got some brown stuff on your nose ;D ;D ;D

 

I brown nose no-one mate get that one straight, welcome to call on me and find that one out.     8)  :X

[Guest numpty01]

mind you with nearly million quid in bank we ?? dont need the money do we??

[Guest puresoontjen]

 

I brown nose no-one mate get that one straight, welcome to call on me and find that one out.     8)  :X

 

what ever  ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

what ever  ;D ;D ;D

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

moving swiflty on.....

 

 

[Guest]

As stated elsewhere, I'm not a supporter of one loft races but if they exist I'm all for allowing them to compete. Does anyone remeber who pioneered one loft races in this country and I think probably in the world?

[Guest puresoontjen]

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

moving swiflty on.....

 

 

no mate i dont move weiflty on ;D

[Guest]

Does anyone remeber who pioneered one loft races in this country and I think probably in the world?

 

Were Europa one of the first in the UK Allbear?  http://www.europaoneloftrace.co.uk/index.php?Page_ID=1303&Pindex=2&Sindex=2

[red schalie]

I believe  One loft racing should always be racing at Fed level and National level not on their own this is for security!

They should be treated like a separate club and all individual members birds should be declared on the full Fed or National result (if they are good enough).

If basketed at a local club they should be charged a handling fee, proceeds to that club.

Maybee there should be an associated membership fee to the respective organisation eg. Fed, National, for each individual member that has entered the one loft perhaps this could be a one off charge for each individual bird each season this could be fairly low to reflect the number of birds entered and the fact they are looked after by someone else.

Just a few positive ideas to mull over instead of fighting competition we should be promoting it but in a fair and regulated way. For far to long these one loft races have been making there own rules up and security has sometimes been questionable!

 

Regards

 

Bob Pickering

[vanlink]

Finally a sensible suggestion, well done Bob.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I believe  One loft racing should always be racing at Fed level and National level not on their own this is for security!

They should be treated like a separate club and all individual members birds should be declared on the full Fed or National result (if they are good enough).

If basketed at a local club they should be charged a handling fee, proceeds to that club.

Maybee there should be an associated membership fee to the respective organisation eg. Fed, National, for each individual member that has entered the one loft perhaps this could be a one off charge for each individual bird each season this could be fairly low to reflect the number of birds entered and the fact they are looked after by someone else.

Just a few positive ideas to mull over instead of fighting competition we should be promoting it but in a fair and regulated way. For far to long these one loft races have been making there own rules up and security has sometimes been questionable!

 

Regards

 

Bob Pickering

 

Sorry but are you saying that the birds should be liberated with the other fed or national birds.

[hepste]

In respect of the one loft race birds competing within a club for club honours, it is up to the members of that club.  As long as every member has an opportunity to have their say, and they vote to include the birds, that is their business.  I may be wrong, but I think that they (one loft birds) then automatically fly for Fed honours., and the Fed has no opportunity to preclude any part of any birdage from any club.  I have a problem with that, because it may be that all other clubs flying within the Fed don't wish to have one loft birds in, but have it forced on them through the back door.  By the way, just because nobody has complained before, ie during the last two years doesn't make a situation acceptable.  I for one haven't even been aware of these facts, before Vanlink raised the subject.  I suspect many other rank and file members are the same

 

As far as the Nationals are concerned, the problem is that (as far as I'm aware) ordinary members have not had a chance to vote on the matter, because such decisions are made by the Committee.

[vanlink]

Finally a sensible suggestion, well done Bob.

 

and Hepste, I very important point about the lack of a democratic opportunity to discuss prior to it being allowed possibly as you say by the back door.

 

As said somewhere, I think this is a new concept, which needs debate. We do not necessarily need to stop it, but lets talk about it and come up with compromise maybe.

I do not have the intelligence to rig the poll and did not even think In my naivety that it could be done.

 

I would add to Bobs ideal and perhaps suggest a rule change may be in order so that at a designated one loft race if we were to permit them into multi loft races they would be exempt from having to transfer every birds into the loft owner/managers name and they could retain the original owners name but have a mark next to their name in the result showing that they were infact from a one loft race. Just as the total send of individual members has been added to the result sheet of the big clubs because it means something to some one.

 

in answer to your question

there has been more than 2 who disagree with you, no where in my post did i get personal towards you i voice my opinion on this matter not you and yet you got personal by posting my name  so who is being personal? it sems to me as if you now have a vendetta against people who agree to the one lofts entering

 

 

Dogeon

 

sorry for mentioning your name and indeed making it personal, against my own request, no real excuse other than I have read and written so much that I am losing track of what has been said and by whom.

 

 

 

[Numpty 666]

Well i am in the FED and in another Club we welcome the EXTRA birdage, some members send over 100 birds on there own right more the better we say. Jeremy has always said at the club if there was a problem in the club or Fed they would just go as trainers. But there is no problem the only problem is Van Link and we dont let trouble makers in our Club so he wont get in thats for sure  

[hepste]

Well i am in the FED and in another Club we welcome the EXTRA birdage, some members send over 100 birds on there own right more the better we say. Jeremy has always said at the club if there was a problem in the club or Fed they would just go as trainers. But there is no problem the only problem is Van Link and we dont let trouble makers in our Club so he wont get in thats for sure  

 

 

With an attitude like yours buddy, I don't think he'd want to come anywhere near your club!

 

[Numpty 666]

Don't worry i dont want him to join it  ;D

[vanlink]

In last weeks Homing world, June 12th, 2009. Page title ‘The Reddings’ under the subheading RPRA ONE-LOFT RACE SUCCESS IN SEVERN VALLEY FEDERATION LESSAY. The following Quote:

 

 

Quoted Text

 

Last week in his report on the RPRA Yearling race with the Severn Valley Federation flying from Lessay on 30th May, RPRA Loft Manager, Jeremy indicated that he thought that the first yearling bird home would be placed in the federation results, In the event the winning RPRA Yearling was also the winning Fed bird, owned by D. & T. Lofts Flying against 1,826 other Federation birds, Dave & Tina Rust’s pigeon raced home with a velocity of 1456. Our congratulations to the winners.

 

 

First well done to Dave & Tina, on winning the one loft race.

Well done Jeremy and co for the skill in the preparation. This an other example of your tremendous effort.

 

Splitting hairs I know, but the bird under RPRA rules, should be owned by the person it is being raced by so therefore, bird owned by David Bills or is there an admitted statement that a bird has been raced by some one who is not the owner against RPRA rules.

 

Top lofts, top birds and top management are very difficult to beat, and I do not mind admitting that as an amateur loft I certainly have my work cut to try and beat the mighty RPRA one loft race.

 

P.S for any one gathering evidence, you have missed a third forum that this is being debated on! Or maybe even a forth…happy hunting.

[Guest strapper]

so could the rpra be racing birds not registered to them? ;D

if this is so putting aside all other things ..why are they breaking their own rules? :-/

[peterpau]

One loft should mean one loft and they should not be let go with other birds in any circumstances, unless we are talking Barcelona.

[peterpau]

Well i am in the FED and in another Club we welcome the EXTRA birdage, some members send over 100 birds on there own right more the better we say. Jeremy has always said at the club if there was a problem in the club or Fed they would just go as trainers. But there is no problem the only problem is Van Link and we dont let trouble makers in our Club so he wont get in thats for sure  

 

Thats right keep any body out who you don't agree with. CALL YOURSELF A SPORTSMAN.

 

 

[Guest]

 

Were Europa one of the first in the UK Allbear?  http://www.europaoneloftrace.co.uk/index.php?Page_ID=1303&Pindex=2&Sindex=2

 

They probably were the first professional one, but I believe the fore runner was Nigel Cowood. And he used the MNFC program to race his birds. The exact date I'm not sure but I suspect the first race was early 80's.

[Alen Gibb]

I can’t believe the amount of comment this subject has raised with little practical ideas of what should happen with One-Loft organisations. Surely the answers are quite simple – perhaps something along these lines:-

 

1. In the interests of economy both for the One-Loft and any convoying organisation willing to take them, it makes sense for both parties if the birds are convoyed by that organisation – cheaper racing for the convoying organisation and, at the end of the series, more prize money (because of less expenses) for the One-Loft winners.

 

2. All One-Loft birds to be liberated separately after those of the convoying organisation.

OR

Joint liberations perhaps to be allowed if the One-Loft entry is less than 10% of the total entry. (There are plenty of clubs where one fancier has 50% or more of the total entry).

 

3. In any event, One-Loft entries will not be eligible for inclusion in the results of the convoying organisation.

 

Clearly it would be ridiculous for any organisation to accept a huge amount of birds from a One-Loft organisation which would literally swamp those of their ‘normal’ members but is this likely to happen? I don’t think so. If it is felt likely then it would be a simple matter to introduce rules to stop it.

 

I am a member of the Severn Valley Federation which has convoyed the One-Loft yearling birds. I believe the most that have been sent is around 150 out of 2000+ other federation birds. They have been jointly liberated and it certainly hasn’t caused any upset in my own club – it is very little different to a small number of our other members sending 80-100 or more birds each – they are there to be beaten and often are.

 

Just my opinion.