vandenabeeles in the south west

[david]

I noted a post that stuart wilcox placed regards vandenbeeles perhaps not holding there own in the somerset bristol area (southwest in general)

 

Is anybody doing very well with them down there (fed level) ?

If not are they racing better crossed .

 

Up here in the grampians they seem to hold their own ...

Jimbo from this forum has some belters ..

 

If you read this stuart i would be very interested to know just how they performed for you when you raced them.Do you still house them ??

 

I certainly get a better race from them when they are crossed out .

Those that came well and were not crosses were 2 yrs old..As yearlings you had to question the abilitys of them .Do they need time??

 

 

 

David

 

 

[BLACK W F]

well posted David  after all Stewart does sell

[Taylorsloft]

I have some that are coming well but they will be going up for sale soon for charity as I have to much stock birds ie 16 pairs stock 12 pair racers I was temped to put a late breed gabby to falaise today 581 mls he has been flying well all season

[Guest]

well posted David  after all Stewart does sell

:-/ and.

 

 

[swilcox]

Lads during 2004-2005-2006 i purchased 15 pairs of Gaby pigeons for my own use, these were raced in 2006,2007 and 2008. I had them from 2 english sources, Anton Ruitenberg and direct. From the 15 pairs i ended up with 4 consistant breeders, 3 cocks from Anton Lightenberg and a hen which was bred from Mel King. The best of the breeders was an 02 Dutch cock called Smart George, i still have 2 good dtrs of him and one has bred 2 x 3rd Combine last year crossed Frans Zwols!!!! But on the whole they were disapointing and i have culled 26 of them. of the other 4 i sold Smart George who was the best one on this site last year (to a friend of Black W/F), the other 3 are at Mike Whites a friend of mine as i do believe they are decent pigeons, from probaly 200 or more bred i would say 10 are left and they contain the blood of these 4 pigeons and are now crossed.

 

As for other fanciers yes some are doing ok but they havnt made such an impact as many expected just as they havnt in the West Midlands but and i have said this before there are enough people winning with them to suggest they are very very good pigeons, they just didnt make an impact in this area.

 

Stuart

 

P.S.

Black w/f you sent me a pm and the answer is ofcourse yes, there are some babies coming away soon and im sure i can select a very good pair from them, its taken time as i had to breed a bigger team than i expected and i had a few orders to fill. Get the lad to pm me.

[david]

Taylorsloft ..

Sounds like you have the goods !

 

This is the debate .

 

They seem to be coming well up here Grampian ,Aberdeen,...but i am a little perplexed as to why in the west country( bristol&somerset) they are not such achievers? .

 

I am reminded of the aclimatisation period for new family's to cultivate themselves to the said area....give them time i was told .

 

I am wondering who races these lines with very good success??

I thought stuart may know ?

 

DAVID

[david]

Thankyou stuart.

 

It's amazing how birds just dont click in certain areas?

 

We live and learn .

 

DAVID

[Guest]

Interesting post, I beleive the Gabys are a 'better day' pigeon i.e. not so keeen back in to the wind, which may explain why they don't do so well out west but that is a generalisation and I have no doubt someone will have got them on tough days.

Stuart's Zwols are the bees knees, well worth having Black w/f, you won't be dissapointed, super pigeons (imo). By the way Stuart is a racing man through and through, he is just a bit brighter than most of us in that he works hard at the sport he enjoys  as an auctioneer/seller to help pay for his birds

[swilcox]

I have theory on why but i would get shot down if i said it!!!!!

 

There are people winning with them in the south west ofcourse but the big guns had them and they didnt aclimatise that well.

 

Cheers Albear, as you saw on your visit everything in my sheds are raced!!!! As for the selling side i really enjoy it and get a real buz out of Auctioneering!!!!!

 

Stuart

[BLACK W F]

Stuart  the post in my eyes did not look good as you stated not up to scratch in your area then you had sold some but you have rectified the post stateing you culled the ones not good enough  Albear the y/bs are not for me but a friend  but thanks Suart for seting us straight cheers mate  and you are right horses for corses

[Guest]

I HAVE HADE THEM FOR SOME TIME NOW AND THAY ARE WINING FOR ME ONE HEN HAS 4 FIRST CLUBS AND FED PRICESWE HAVE WONE WITH THEM ON THE ROUNDABOUT AND WIDOWHOOD SO I CANT SAY ANY MORE THAN THAT WE HAVE EVEN CROSSED THEM WITH OUR SOONTJENS AND WONE WELL WITH THEM

                                                                  CHEERS KEVIN

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

HEY KEVIN GET A DICTIONARY (evil)(evil)(evil)

 

BRYAN

[BLACK W F]

Bryan you stick to cleaning windows  thats what your good at  lol

[Guest]

WELL SAID M8 GOOD ON YOU THAT WAS QUICK THINKING LOL

I WAS TOLD HE IS NOT EVEN GOOD AT THAT HES GETING OLD HA HA

[BLACK W F]

thats not nice Kev  but true   ha ha ha

[Guest]

Had the Vandenabeeles, from several sources, some expensive some not. Was not overly impressed overall, but i suppose its the same in all "strains," getting the "right" ones! The Vandenbeeles that were ok here i have gifted free to new starters in the past few weeks. Like Stuart, the rubbish ones were disposed of.

 

That said, the Vandenabeeles have topped the UNC, and full credit to them for that. Just wish it had been for me, lol!

[Taylorsloft]

Interesting post, I beleive the Gabys are a 'better day' pigeon i.e. not so keeen back in to the wind, which may explain why they don't do so well out west but that is a generalisation and I have no doubt someone will have got them on tough days.

Stuart's Zwols are the bees knees, well worth having Black w/f, you won't be dissapointed, super pigeons (imo). By the way Stuart is a racing man through and through, he is just a bit brighter than most of us in that he works hard at the sport he enjoys  as an auctioneer/seller to help pay for his birds

 

John hunter of Aberdeen fed had the best of the gabbys and lived 12 west of Aberdeen was topping the fed against the wind when he should not have been cos of the west wind

[Jumbo]

The 1st young bird race last week  , we had 3 birds on the drop together all on the Fed Sheet against the odds as we only get 2 mile from Aberdeen .All of them are 100% gaby, infact 8 out of my 1st 9 were Gaby's.

Stevie you are correct  John Hunter had the best of the Gaby's , my first 1bird last week is bred out of a hen from him.

[BLACK W F]

jim thought you only had gabbys away  lol

[Ian McKay]

HEY KEVIN GET A DICTIONARY (evil)(evil)(evil)

 

BRYAN

 

Why he canny reed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[BLACK W F]

you behave your self Mr McKay no need to take the P*** poor lad is trying  lol

[Jumbo]

jim thought you only had gabbys away  lol

 

No Black w/f  , had everything in the 2 young bird lofts away , even the white lightening from you, she was in the 3rd drop we got 8 minutes behind the first.  Might be her turn this week ????

[BLACK W F]

just testing

[Taylorsloft]

The 1st young bird race last week  , we had 3 birds on the drop together all on the Fed Sheet against the odds as we only get 2 mile from Aberdeen .All of them are 100% gaby, infact 8 out of my 1st 9 were Gaby's.

Stevie you are correct  John Hunter had the best of the Gaby's , my first 1bird last week is bred out of a hen from him.

 

prob the best in scotland  

[edwards]

i think when it comes to pigeons that do great in the first 5 to 10 years you jump on  them regardless the strain its when there hot winning everything you jump on that there and then 25 years ago the verheys were doing we jumped got them never crossed them there still doing it machines on the land. the gabys well folks hold your hands up there fantastic birds there record is shocking in the short years there around they will and mark my words break records for years to come i think they end up an ultimate breed gaby him self was sending between 9 and 12 cocks to a race and other members and flyers 50 and 60 top top top flyers at that 80%of the time gabys birds won a north east wind and he used to smile because he had the race won .we got children of the lines in the 80s and 90s and bred rings around these the young there producing for stock are class they will never be crossed out and they have proving them selfs already the first year weve half tried them these are our channel birds for the future . plus an interesting write up on the verheys i read there is not another breed of pigeon that has won more in middle racing in the uk ireland or for that matter the british isles than the verhyes bet this is gonna stir sh** but very true folks.