NFC Young Bird race

[peter edwards]

i bet u still get members from sections B,C SEND,

[mickmcgrevy]

Peter, im sure you are right, but I have to say I wouldn't.

[Guest]

Ribble

 

Great idea ... let those who can afford it send a fully pooled pigeon at a cost of £200+ (which is what Mr O'Brien would have to have done) ... total birdage would be I would say a maximum of 150 at that price and the race itself will make a loss of seismic proportions.

 

How about this for an alternative:-

1) Prize Money paid for the OPEN only

2) Pools organised for SECTIONS only

This way the winners and not the losers get the prize money but everyone battles locally for pools.

[bewted]

just coming back into the sport after 20 yrs and read all articles and arguements on this once great NFC,what a pity it is going to the dogs,another big name decline into history to be forgotten for ever,shame!!!!  ted

[mickmcgrevy]

LovedeanLad  

 

Yes thats sounds like a good idea to solve all the problems, all money paid out to open prize winners. I don't know where you are from, but I bet you are somewhere on or near to the SOUTH COAST, I think that is a very selfish point of view.

 

Because everyone accepts that the weather and wind plays a big part in the result, the fairest way is to concentrate on sections, that way every one competeing in your section has the same conditions to race under.

 

Opens pools, if someone wishes to pool in the open it is entirely their descision, they know the odds so let them get on with it.

 

Mick

  

[Guest]

Last time I checked I couldn't find a rule saying that only sections A-G can win the Open? Check out this year's results Mick and you'll see plenty members from Section I-K getting in the Open mix. Indeed the two leading members in the averages are from section L. Have you also forgotten that a member from your own section won Tarbes last year? I don't give a chuff who wins nor their accent ... but do believe that we should celebrate and reward our winners properly from wherever they hail.

 

[mickmcgrevy]

LovedeanLad,   yep you right, there have been some great performances put up by the northern fanciers this year, I will never forget Chris Gordons performance and also Pete Hagland 1st and 2nd open Saintes, and also in other years, but the majority are won by the shorter flyers, and 90%of the first 200 birds are short flyers.

So my opinion is still the same, selfish attitude.

 

Mick    

[Guest]

If selfish equates to wanting to reward and celebrate winners from all corners of the UK then I plead guilty as charged m'lud ... take me away to the cells and throw the key away!

 

But like you said when referring to fanciers taking their chances in the open pools "if someone wishes to pool in the open it is entirely their descision, they know the odds so let them get on with it" well that cuts both ways. Longer flying members know that they're up against it when competing against shorter flyers ... they know the odds so let them get on with it. If you don't like Section E winning their fair share pro-rate to entries then don't send against them!

[Mike Lycett]

MIck

 

Most of the blokes who criticise Specialist Clubs haven't got the foggiest of an idea the problems that you have to endure to put on a season's racing. Now, I'm no particular fan of the NFC - but I don't slag em off.  To be honerst, I think the NFC have done a GREAT job this season considering the naff situation we were in.

 

Basiocally only able to fly in July & can't turn pigeons back to back & they went overboard in putting distance racing on.  Couldn't fault em. Yeah, we all know Sennen Cove etc is a graveyard - but what options are there.  Whatever you suggest you'll upset fanciers in at least 3 Sections.

 

Mike

[mickmcgrevy]

Mike

 

Thanks for your comments,and I have to say I have to agree with you, to many people making comments when they do not know the facts.

 

  QUOTE  FROM LovedeanLad ( If selfish equates to wanting to reward and celebrate winners from all corners of the UK then I plead guilty as charged m'lud ... take me away to the cells and throw the key away )

 

I have to say that I AGREE, in fact I would like to see a situation where the first three positions in ALL sections receive the same prize money, then those sections that send the most birds receive prizes of shall we say £25 pro rata to birds sent untill the money has run out.

 

But that would mean guarranteeing prize money and it has to come  from somewhere, and that can only be birdage or membership fees going up.

I hasten to add that this is purely my idea and has not been discussed by the NFC.

 

Mick

[ribble]

just coming back into the sport after 20 yrs and read all articles and arguements on this once great NFC,what a pity it is going to the dogs,another big name decline into history to be forgotten for ever,shame!!!!  ted

 

at the end of the day its only a few members discssing the NFC.

im afraid all pigeon racing is in decline and very much doubt that the NFC will be forgotten for ever.

you never know when you get established you may even try to win it yourself and i hope you do.and if you did you wouldn't care about the prize money that did or didn't go with

1st OPEN NATIONAL FLYING CLUB.

 

[peterpau]

As a south roader. I paid for my son to join NFC when they published a North rd program. 540mls Lerwick to me. Before we were allowed into France, our birds went Wincanton. Newton Abbott. Yelverton. Then into NRCC Perth. A cock that took 21st sec Tarbes last year took 13th sec Perth. Returns 7 from 8. At the very least I feel the NFC should have gone to Sennon Cove, as published. Better still Ireland. Looking at the numbers that have gone/going to Chale this is no way to make money. 1515 young birds 282 old hens. Last year I voted to increase subs and put birdage up. This year I shall resign. As a matter of interest if you are the one person who sent one old hen in section C. Make sure you clock it as you will win the section.

[richard]

Chale! Looks like an excellent choice does'nt it?

[richard]

I fly 8 mls 368 yds Rose. I don't know if they need us, but I think they are just about to lose a lot of us!

Cheers

Richard

[peterpau]

Richard there will be fanciers in a similar situation to you, if it was Sennon Cove, however geographicaly Cornwall is very narrow and this would lesson the effect somewhat. Oh and by the way I am one of those "Midlands" fanciers. We don't all want to go "Down the middle"

[peterpau]

Last year I propposed what became the MNFC race program. Falaise, Alencon,Tours, and Bergerac. Having just returned from Royan, and the heat we had in June/July, I can't help but wonder if racing from a boat may be a good idea after all. You wont get a "fair" race program but we might just have to start considering the heat, maybe? Sorry Rose but is food for thought.

[peterpau]

Looks like competition is hotting up in section C NFC Old hens. After extending the cut off for entries, another member has enterd two birds making a real race of it. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.........

[Roland]

One thing for sure, the fair racing is and would undoubtedly be to head into the wind. Say North Westerly for North roaders. This liberating from the Eastern points by the East Coast Club, cost them dear. No channel racing has put a few quiddies back into their pockets, But they need to be carefull and try and please a few in the centre and even Western side.

And if Channel racing is out. next season why not het a Boat and Head out to Sea! With GPS etc. there is nothing easier.

[mickmcgrevy]

Hi all,   the last few post seem to be a little dissgruntled with the way the NFC is being led ( they say )by members on the committee coming from the northern sections.

 

Well all I can say is, its true, there are no represenatives on the committee for section A or B. That is not the fault of the club, its the apathy of the members in those sections, some of which would rather moan on about how bad the club is run. Nows your chance, get to the AGM and lets have the benefit of your expertease.

 

That last post seems like a good idea, liberate at sea, I wonder if DEFRA would go for it.

 

Mick  

[peterpau]

Mick my point was lib at sea because of the heat, but you never know. I can't help but think, this bird flu aint going away. My main gripe with the NFC is not doing what they advertise. I know it's been a nightmare but, if we publish North rd and Sennon Cove then that's where we should go .

[Roland]

Regardless where the comittess come from it is for owns ends and favours they do things. human natures is true but pour excuse.

As a member every member has the same rights and priveledges as everyone else -where possible.

But the powers to be seem to blantantly just ignore that! And feather their own nests. I nedn't bring up past, but I'll say that Tours is good for the Midland and most. Further West of course most suit more. But they do the same as the NRCC ( Est Coast club) and go as easterly as they can.

Belgium was great, and didn't we see  alot of other great flyers name up for a change. and the letters poured in still wet with tears in protest. who By! Yneed one ask! Foot and mouth showed there can be race points to give others a bite of the cherry on certain days. So let the others fly for JUST decent section results some weeks!

[mickmcgrevy]

Roland, you entitled to your opinion, but let me just put you right on one or two points.

 

First let me inform you, if you do not allready know, I am on the committee of the NFC, and I live near to Doncaster, so I represent sec K. I don't know which section you are in.

 

Now as for feathering my own nest, as you put it, let me assure you that when I attend meetings and vote on any matter, my first interest is what is best for the NFC, secondry to that is consideration for my section, NEVER do I consider what is best for Mick.

 

Now, as for race points, personally I do not care where we race from. north south east or west, but if we were going south, if I had my own way, I would draw a line from say Bradford, roughly middle of the country, to say just to the east of the Southampton, and continue it into France. I would then pick race points from along that line.

 

However I am only one vote, and frequently do not agree with how things turn out, but I have to live with it. If you want to change things, you need to be there and have your say, I suspect that your section is not represented on the committee, so come on, Have your say.

 

Mick  

 

 

[peterpau]

All power to to your elbow Mick. You're a credit to the NFC coming on here and giving your views. However with bird flu, and the heat we've had, maybe a radical change maybe called for.  

[Roland]

Hi Mick, not having a stab at you, but when you say ... 'Now as for feathering my own nest, as you put it, let me assure you that when I attend meetings and vote on any matter, my first interest is what is best for the NFC, secondry to that is consideration for my section, NEVER do I consider what is best for Mick'.

I believe that is fine for conscience, but not for the FANCIERS as a whole.

First should be, I believe, what is best for ALL members as far as can be.

Secondly, the Reputation, and then thewell being of the NFC. . then what ever is left pick the bones over.

If members are not only getting a fair shake of the whip and more importantly being SEEN to, then that remedies a lot for starters.

  I quite believe you, and I mean thet 100% that you are 100% comitted to what you feel is best. That is great as far as you go... All power to your elbow.

But regardless where your heart is, how intense and wholeheartedly fight for . What is best for the NFC, etc, the club will only ever be as good as the members... All members.

Many, a vast majority fly the NFC and other National- supposedly - clubs for Section honours, and in the hope that when they DO get a good one, others note it.

  Unfortunately al to often - due to what the race libs dictate - the best bird is not the winner. There are countless references to this. So we can't control the wind ... But we can alter our sails! I remeber the wet letters soaked with tears from many that had jad it so good for so long that they believe it is an Inherited right! It's not, and many are the Lib points fairer and more practical EVERY season that aremasked over. THAT is where apathy sets in and the NFC like so many others fail us, and will eventually be no more.

Still I've just got in from work and am tired and ... SO GOOD Night .wwwwwhhhhooooooosssshhhhh

 

[mickmcgrevy]

Hi Roland, to reply, isn't whats best for the members best for the NFC and vice versa, I would have thought that it was, anyway, never mind.

 

To all those competing in the NFC race from Chale this weekend, I hope you have a good one, and that hopefully will include me.

 

3817 young birds      637 old hens    total 4464

 

Best of luck to you all.

 

Mick