Best person to obtain birds from...

[Guest CS]

If you had to start racing pigeons from scratch, who would you obtain your first stock birds from? (Cost not being an issue - although try and stick to local fanciers)

Please give us the names, as many as you like....

 

[EAGLEOWL]

i dont buy pigeons ,and i wouldnt buy them from locals ,i would buy from a top pigeoman who as won for years and make a family out of them.i think people are too quick to keep buying in pigeons without trying the ones they got

dont go for pigeons with bits of paper they win you nothing ,go for winners from a small loft not mob flyers .winners will always be winners.

 

mark walton guisborough

[Fair Play]

I would check the nationals and go for the small flier (no entered) and consistantly well up in the result.

[PIGEON_MAN]

i dont buy pigeons ,and i wouldnt buy them from locals ,i would buy from a top pigeoman who as won for years and make a family out of them.i think people are too quick to keep buying in pigeons without trying the ones they got

dont go for pigeons with bits of paper they win you nothing ,go for winners from a small loft not mob flyers .winners will always be winners.

 

Agree with you Mark about buying pigeons with bits of paper but when you say winners will allways be winners are you talking about buying in youngsters or buying in old birds,as personally i would have to say that buying winners will not guarentee you will breed winners.

 

[EAGLEOWL]

i was on about the man been a winner .no bird can gaurentee you winners but thats what i think make some people winners and others also rans .

 

a good pigeonman will win more then most with 100% dedication than those who play at it and never learn .

 

i cannot understand people constantly buying birds because of names or fashions top pigeonmen make familys out of their birds .i would take winners out of a established loft for stock if there all winners though no guarentee of success its down to the man to condition and motivate the pigeon to win along with good pigeons thats what makes a winner thats the man i would buy pigeons from someone who wins on a regular basis not someone who once won a race.who also wins against thousands there the pigeons to buy .theres some fantastic pigeomen over here yet everyone seems to want to buy foreign birds for large amounts of money when you could buy a great little team from a top pigeonman over here .

 

 

[timbarra]

if you want to start well you must follow simple rules.

 

1. decide at what distance you want to compete.

 

2. look at results and find the most consistant player in the results, who has small number of birds !!!!

 

3. buy from his best birds,

 

4. listen to how he feeds and trains,

 

5, be patient.  blame yourself before you ever blame your birds. if your not winning the fault will probably be yours.!!

 

 

spencer

[frank-123]

phone a friend

the best thing's in life a free ;D

 

beware of dodgy pigeon men who would sell there granny for two bob

 

i bought two pigeons off diffrent people one cost £50 one £60

from these two top national men in scotland i was given another seven pigeons to go with the one's i bought

 

another time paid twelve quid for a yb in a breeder buyer this bird has one nearly £500 in its time thanks pender ;D

[Back garden fancier]

I'd buy 18 or 24 Louella 99 quiders. Race them and breed from what's left. Can't go wrong for that money.

[Ronnie]

I think its more the system than the bird nowaday's.

Theres a hell of a lot of good birds about .

A good system(fancier) will make an average bird win but give that same fancier a good bird and see how pigeon legends are made.

being a relatively new starter myself if i could turn back time i think i would look up a good fancier and see if i could spend a season as his pupil.

Your never to old to learn.

But if i had to buy birds i would try and get a round of latebreds  from frank tasker or geoff kirkland they seem to have been around a long time at the top.

I would also ask there methods as well

 

 

[pigeonpete]

I think its more the system than the bird nowaday's.

Theres a hell of a lot of good birds about .

A good system(fancier) will make an average bird win but give that same fancier a good bird and see how pigeon legends are made.

being a relatively new starter myself if i could turn back time i think i would look up a good fancier and see if i could spend a season as his pupil.

Your never to old to learn.

But if i had to buy birds i would try and get a round of latebreds  from frank tasker or geoff kirkland they seem to have been around a long time at the top.

I would also ask there methods as well

 

 

agree with you ronnie, but you wont go far wrong with albert austins birds mate!! trust me you can tell him i said that, he might give me discount

[Guest]

I think there is a very important factor that is missed and I can not claim credit for writing about it here, because Bill Carney suggested it to me. He told me not to buy from the best local fancier because he was 1) unlikely to give you his best and 2) It would take you a long time to better race the birds of the master even if you got his best.

So where to go, Bill suggested the top flyer you can afford to go to flying approx 50 mile further than you because you will have birds that you know can handle your route and s/he probably will happily tell you how to get the best out of her/his birds.

[Guest]

I think there is a very important factor that is missed and I can not claim credit for writing about it here, because Bill Carney suggested it to me. He told me not to buy from the best local fancier because he was 1) unlikely to give you his best and 2) It would take you a long time to better race the birds of the master even if you got his best.

So where to go, Bill suggested the top flyer you can afford to go to flying approx 50 mile further than you because you will have birds that you know can handle your route and s/he probably will happily tell you how to get the best out of her/his birds.

;) very good point that Al , and worth bearing in mind   andy

 

 

[The White Rapido Man]

dosnt matter if cost £40k or £4..............if your loft amnagement isn't right....then it means nothing.....

 

In the materalistic world in which we live in, folk are easily impressed by names....studs etc.....and think that they are not going to be competative unless they spend thousands of pounds.........Yes these birds are class....but 'high cost' dosn't automatically spell success.  

 

Enjoy your birds...race them......get to know them......pick out the good points...and the bad.....then..when you have a good rounded knowledge about what you want out of a pigeon......then do your homework on the specific breeds....

 

If you are a 'complete' novice.........then one pigeon is as good as another........get friendly with a decent fancier who will breed you a round of YB/s...and see how you get on......keep the good uns...bin the bad.......and off you go

 

 

 

[Guest paulrstokes]

Personally I would do one of two things.

 

Either not bother with Stock Birds, and potentially buy a range of young birds from breeder buyer sales etc, firstly you could win something, secondly even though some fanciers birds do not attract a lot of money because their results are not good, it doesn't mean they are bad birds, just means that fanciers methods may not be up to scratch.

 

What you are left with pair best to best and away you go. That means you are not starting a loft with fancy names and pedigrees, just good birds that have flown a program for you.

 

The second thing to consider if you wanted stock birds would be to look into the auctions of One Loft races, some birds do go quite cheaply, OK their race results may not be fantastic, but if a flyer has paid an entry fee of £100 plus then I would suggest they will be sending off of their best stock.

[Guest MBpigeonguy]

well i would not take a bird from someone that i dont kbnow. i make sure i stay in touch by email with a pigeon man for aLONG time before i start trusting them,. Then after another LONG time i will get birds from them. i have 52 birds, and i have not payed for more then 6of them. and the six birds i did pay for are birds that will do least in racing, they are great looking birds, but they come from guys that do wedding realese and 40 percent of the birds they relese dont come back, othen then that i went to the best flier in winnipeg and got 6 birds as a gift from him, last year when i started and left, i also had birds from him, i returned the birds when i left, so i went back to this guy, hes a verry good, freind of my family, we trust him, and belive me, he can be trusted, and on our racing sheets, ALL of his birds are sure to be top 100 or els he will get rid of them, and by doing this for 30 years, getting rid of bad breeders, and bad racers, and only buying the best. he is the best, in every distence, so he gave me 6 good breeders like last time, he usualy sells for 500$-1000$ so he gave them to me as a gift. and All of them Won a price for ever race they were in!!, and next i got birds from a middle ranked arcer, and then a small loft racers, and i have not payed any money for good birds. and in the spring i will get my first birds from a none local racers, im getting (white delbars) as a gift, in my books, get birds from people- U TRUST

[Guest]

I think there is a very important factor that is missed and I can not claim credit for writing about it here, because Bill Carney suggested it to me. He told me not to buy from the best local fancier because he was 1) unlikely to give you his best and 2) It would take you a long time to better race the birds of the master even if you got his best.

So where to go, Bill suggested the top flyer you can afford to go to flying approx 50 mile further than you because you will have birds that you know can handle your route and s/he probably will happily tell you how to get the best out of her/his birds.

 

Good tip alan!!

[Guest shadow]

 

Good tip alan!!

 

must agree whole heartedly  that was my experience when I first started many years ago

 

 

[Mike Lycett]

If I were to ever start again (which I won't) I would'nt confine myself to my locality - I'd use the internet to search the world for what I thought were the right birds

[Guest]

Mike if you have money and resource I would not disagree, but whatever your resource you need a type of pigeon that will win where you live. I know from experiece of living in several different localities in the UK that birds that are champions in one area can be rubbish n another. There are several fanciers who have moved down to Devon who were top men in their area brought the birds with them that were breeding for them and never won a sausage. They changed their birds and are back winning again! Another recognised example down south is that in general you can turn a decent north roader south and it will more often than not be a decent south roader but in general the same can not be said of the reverse.

[pault]

if you want to start well you must follow simple rules.

 

1. decide at what distance you want to compete.

 

2. look at results and find the most consistant player in the results, who has small number of birds !!!!

 

3. buy from his best birds,

 

4. listen to how he feeds and trains,

 

5, be patient.  blame yourself before you ever blame your birds. if your not winning the fault will probably be yours.!!

 

 

spencer

 

SPOT ON SPENCER

[pigeonscout]

Mike if you have money and resource I would not disagree, but whatever your resource you need a type of pigeon that will win where you live. I know from experiece of living in several different localities in the UK that birds that are champions in one area can be rubbish n another. There are several fanciers who have moved down to Devon who were top men in their area brought the birds with them that were breeding for them and never won a sausage. They changed their birds and are back winning again! Another recognised example down south is that in general you can turn a decent north roader south and it will more often than not be a decent south roader but in general the same can not be said of the reverse.

 

If that was the case, the one loft races would be won by local birds

[pigeonscout]

You have to ask yourself If the Janssen pigeons of Arendonk were only good when flying to Arendonk?

Answer no and the same can be said for all the main strains.

Good birds are good birds they are born that way.

[Guest]

 

If that was the case, the one loft races would be won by local birds

 

No logic there pigeon scout

[Guest j.bamling]

i would agree good birds win anywhere Albert Marcelis was only beating 200 birds in his clubs but they topped the U.N.C 25000 birds ( good birds win anywhere ) but i will agree with you albear some birds are better suited to some areas but it is more the case of the type of racing you get most of in that area must suit the birds that you have ( but good birds will win anywhere )

[Guest]

No question the top birds will win anywhere, however they are rare and lucky is the man who has them and the dynasty around them.