Leroy Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Does anyone keep two or more families that do best at different distances? Im looking to start racing next year primarily towards the longer distance, which I think will involve sending the birds to the shorter races at the start of the season to get them used to the basket and to train them up. I have recently seen some birds that I like but which are better at sprint/middle distance. I was wondering what people thought of keeping birds this way? At least whilst the longer distance birds are training but are unlikely to win the shorter races, I would have some interest from the shorter distance birds - wouldn't I? Im only looking to start with a dozen stock for the longer distance and half a dozen for the middle distance. Anyone think I'm trying to run before I can walk??? any opinions welcome, just remember I'm a newbie and have no experience of racing yet!!! Lee
aye ready Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 some fanciers keep various strains of birds but in y experience distance birds can win at shorter races but birds bred for sprinting won't do at the distance unless strong tailwinds hence shorter time on the wing
blaz Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 no your not trying to run b4 walking as distance pigeons take longer to mature than sprint birds
blaz Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 i am hoping to have 2 small lofts for next year plus yb loft 1 for sprint middle distance and one for long distance birds all going well will be sorted by this September
jimmy white Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Does anyone keep two or more families that do best at different distances? Im looking to start racing next year primarily towards the longer distance, which I think will involve sending the birds to the shorter races at the start of the season to get them used to the basket and to train them up. I have recently seen some birds that I like but which are better at sprint/middle distance. I was wondering what people thought of keeping birds this way? At least whilst the longer distance birds are training but are unlikely to win the shorter races, I would have some interest from the shorter distance birds - wouldn't I? Im only looking to start with a dozen stock for the longer distance and half a dozen for the middle distance. Anyone think I'm trying to run before I can walk??? any opinions welcome, just remember I'm a newbie and have no experience of racing yet!!! Lee racing the distance takes a lot of time and patience, with expert loft management and excellent distance pigeons , with due respect leroy,, i would race a season or two first being a newbie , as little experience is really needed for these races,, enjoy your shorter racing first then progress to the distance racing,, but,, anything is possible with pigeons but this would be my opinion,,,good luck
just ask me Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 well it will all depend on space and your set up but if u are a new starer id say to start small mate i would say in most cases today to compete at the real top level fanicers seem to stick to the one distance to compete at the top level takes real dedication so my advice is stick to one mate what would say about distance racing u will need patince as in most cases distance birds dont come into there best till a later in life i.e 4 5 6 years old
just ask me Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 racing the distance takes a lot of time and patience, with expert loft management and excellent distance pigeons , with due respect leroy,, i would race a season or two first being a newbie , as little experience is really needed for these races,, enjoy your shorter racing first then progress to the distance racing,, but,, anything is possible with pigeons but this would be my opinion,,,good luck if hes in a hot area for sprint mate that can be frustrating not geting any where near the results
Leroy Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Posted March 13, 2009 racing the distance takes a lot of time and patience, with expert loft management and excellent distance pigeons , with due respect leroy,, i would race a season or two first being a newbie , as little experience is really needed for these races,, enjoy your shorter racing first then progress to the distance racing,, but,, anything is possible with pigeons but this would be my opinion,,,good luck thanks for the replies guys. Thanks Jimmy. I know it takes alot of experience to do this with great success. I'm really only going to race for the enjoyment side of things and to see if my birds can do it. I don't at this moment intend to take on the big boys. If I dont achieve success I don't thik it will be detrimental to me or the birds. Thanks again mate, all views are appreciated. Lee
Leroy Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Posted March 13, 2009 well it will all depend on space and your set up but if u are a new starer id say to start small mate i would say in most cases today to compete at the real top level fanicers seem to stick to the one distance to compete at the top level takes real dedication so my advice is stick to one mate what would say about distance racing u will need patince as in most cases distance birds dont come into there best till a later in life i.e 4 5 6 years old Just ask me - cheers mate. I wont have a massive setup to be honest, I just want to test the birds I have, without the pressure of wanting to succeed at all costs. My birds are pets first and foremost and I just want to know if they are capable of doing it! Thanks for the advice, your view is appreciated. Lee
Guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 racing the distance takes a lot of time and patience, with expert loft management and excellent distance pigeons , with due respect leroy,, i would race a season or two first being a newbie , as little experience is really needed for these races,, enjoy your shorter racing first then progress to the distance racing,, but,, anything is possible with pigeons but this would be my opinion,,,good luck WHAT YOU ON ABOUT,AS LITTLE EXPERIECE IS REALY NEEDED FOR THESE RACES :
jimmy white Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Does anyone keep two or more families that do best at different distances? Im looking to start racing next year primarily towards the longer distance, which I think will involve sending the birds to the shorter races at the start of the season to get them used to the basket and to train them up. I have recently seen some birds that I like but which are better at sprint/middle distance. I was wondering what people thought of keeping birds this way? At least whilst the longer distance birds are training but are unlikely to win the shorter races, I would have some interest from the shorter distance birds - wouldn't I? Im only looking to start with a dozen stock for the longer distance and half a dozen for the middle distance. Anyone think I'm trying to run before I can walk??? any opinions welcome, just remember I'm a newbie and have no experience of racing yet!!! Lee im answering leroys question ,,,in my opinion, , whitenight,maybe you could help him and answer , in your opinion
Guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 WHAT YOU ON ABOUT,AS LITTLE EXPERIECE IS REALY NEEDED FOR THESE RACES : [/quote sprint racing you must be on top of them at all times,much work has to be put in to these races [ sprint] distance racing what 500 mile plus,i sent a yearling hen to thurso when i was a young boy it was never herd of at that time sion x barker,she came home on the 4 day fed on beans and chichen food,why do these distance flyers keep some 150 plus birds to send to two or three races a year,and most send 40 to 50 some more :-/
blaz Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 we all have our own opinion so mine is this leroy if i were you i listen to jimmy white he knows what he is talking about and has bags of experience i have raced pigeons in club and fed up 326 miles i am hoping to race distance pigeons next year and i need to learn how and it will be from asking the likes of jimmy white and others that you learn how
retired Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Next year we plan to have one section of cocks for the sprint/middle distance these will basically be the De Dobbelaers, Van de rhees and Linderaufs. The other section will have the birds with the longer racing in mind and will basically be a mish mash of birds i have brought in but mainly the Mel Bell family of birds.
jimmy white Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 WHAT YOU ON ABOUT,AS LITTLE EXPERIECE IS REALY NEEDED FOR THESE RACES : [/quote sprint racing you must be on top of them at all times,much work has to be put in to these races [ sprint] distance racing what 500 mile plus,i sent a yearling hen to thurso when i was a young boy it was never herd of at that time sion x barker,she came home on the 4 day fed on beans and chichen food,why do these distance flyers keep some 150 plus birds to send to two or three races a year,and most send 40 to 50 some more :-/ ob averages sprint 60 to 360 miles 14 years,,,, supreme average fed one pigeon sent to national 604 miles ist section, 2cnd national one pigeon sent to blue ribband rennes national 15th open national one pigeon sent to combine [three feds 505 miles ] ist by 35 minutes [505 miles] east of scot continental club 505 miles sent one pigeon 6th open won the £100 pool 4 times selecting one pigeon [all races over 500 miles] ,,, could mention hundreds more results like this ,, so, it could be said , i do have some sort of experience,, maybe just add this for fun one pigeon sent to yb national ,, scored with it
Guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 ob averages sprint 60 to 360 miles 14 years,,,, supreme average fed one pigeon sent to national 604 miles ist section, 2cnd national one pigeon sent to blue ribband rennes national 15th open national one pigeon sent to combine [three feds 505 miles ] ist by 35 minutes [505 miles] east of scot continental club 505 miles sent one pigeon 6th open won the £100 pool 4 times selecting one pigeon [all races over 500 miles] ,,, could mention hundreds more results like this ,, so, it could be said , i do have some sort of experience,, maybe just add this for fun one pigeon sent to yb national ,, scored with it great reults,is that 1917 or 1997.and how long did it take you to gain these reults some 11 years ago
just ask me Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Next year we plan to have one section of cocks for the sprint/middle distance these will basically be the De Dobbelaers, Van de rhees and Linderaufs. The other section will have the birds with the longer racing in mind and will basically be a mish mash of birds i have brought in but mainly the Mel Bell family of birds. any chance on a little info on these De Dobbelaers
Guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 any chance on a little info on these De Dobbelaers thats them german dogs
just ask me Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 thats them german dogs ;D ;D ;D no there not ive heread one or two little things about these how would u rate them against the rest of your pigeons
Guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 Have been Distance minded from the outset of my racing career.But would agree to race from 500 miles and beyond you need top quality distance blood especially racing into Scotland.Also they must be at least 2 years old before you hit this distance,so patience in the first couple of years is imperative,But cannot see why you cant specialise in long distance racing from the start.But having the right guidance is very important which i have been very fortunate to have had from the start. :)
retired Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 any chance on a little info on these De Dobbelaers What would you like to know Jam, if you drop me a PM will anwser as much as i can and will pick it up in the morning when i come back online.
Tony C Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 Leroy when you hear people say that have raced pigeons for 20-30years + and they’re still learning gives you some indication of just how much there is to be learnt. There’s many books, videos, sites like this that you can glean information from but none of these are a substitute for experience. Learning the basics of management in my opinion would be best done by just concentrating on sprint racing to start with for the simple reason it is much more forgiving . Make a mistake in a sprint race and the chances are you’ll see that pigeon again, making it in a 500 mile race wont afford you that luxury. Good luck & enjoy.
Guest spin cycle Posted March 14, 2009 Report Posted March 14, 2009 having started 4 years ago i'm only now trying some longer races. IMO i'd have a few sprinters because its a long season if you are 1/2 hour behind every race but also if you can get the sprinters competetive it may help to gauge the development of your distance birds. like some others say you need to learn the 'trade' a bit. its an interesting way to start (breeding your own from stock)...probably good but its a lot of 'prisoners'. in the end this is just my 'take' best of luck
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