nest mates paired together

[OLDYELLOW]

pairing full brother full sister together can be ok and produce winners some may be breeders of winners , however there also can be deformaties like webbed feet ectra and spade legs , the more closely inbred they are the more likely chance they are of been unviable as simply wont hatch or dont survive or have these physical trates due to the lack of good genes or overload of faulty mutated genes

[OLDYELLOW]

:-/ PLEASE CAN YOU HELP ME TRAIN A PIGEON TO BE A GOOD BREEDER ;)HEAD LICE ;D ;D

 

 

try viagra  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

a baby boy cant kick a ball when born ? he cant even crawl or stand new born his genes hes been given by his parents determine that in nature there is no room for derormaty so weak / disabled birds get naturaly suppressed , but nature is a battle of survival , lets take a good footballer great fitness ectra but there just as likely to have a disabled child i can think of this senario without adding names , so your saying were all born to kick a man made object ? i suppose we all could actualy kick it but to control it and be able to be in good control takes skills which are learned , so we could take 2 boys in a race for instance one with head lice one with none who would win the race ? it wouldnt be a factor in the boy winning having head lice but it would be down to determination and applying themself into doing what they want to do , even if both applied themselves one would expect a result of a win or a draw or outright win , look at this dancing on ice non ice skaters as not intrested give them some tv time and money , there good skaters some could be proffesional

 

Oldyellow, kind of getting lost here. I'm trying to say that two parents that are not that good at something can produce a child that is very good at the very same thing. On the same side like you say two healthy fit individuals can produce a child that has some sort of disability of deformity. Good genes do not always mean that they will get better when mixed with another good gene, only nature herself knows what will be thrown up! Same goes for pigeons, i'm not the one saying you need to breed from two good birds to breed good birds.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Oldyellow, kind of getting lost here. I'm trying to say that two parents that are not that good at something can produce a child that is very good at the very same thing. On the same side like you say two healthy fit individuals can produce a child that has some sort of disability of deformity. Good genes do not always mean that they will get better when mixed with another good gene, only nature herself knows what will be thrown up! Same goes for pigeons, i'm not the one saying you need to breed from two good birds to breed good birds.

 

 

im agreeing with you it takes alsorts of factors to building a pigeon , but i would say because nature is more random than most would like to think , we are trying to breed for speed or endurance , but nature is breeding for survival so nature determines that each bird need a great constitution in order to survive get that right then your halfway there , then you need good management and a good system then your away

[Guest]

Timbarra would this cock fit the bill for you, don't be fooled that he has to be good cos i had a photo, every bird in the loft was!!

 

 

As i have said before my breeding criteria is simple, very simple, and that is it is decided by the basket. Only 12 pairs racers and 6 stock pairs, so most years every bird bred from.  For a box ( or perch) it races or it breeds. It will have a chance upto 2 years old, stock sometimes 3. Nice smooth feathering is the only thing i like to see, winners come in all shapes and forms-fact.

 

 

[Guest]

 

im agreeing with you it takes alsorts of factors to building a pigeon , but i would say because nature is more random than most would like to think , we are trying to breed for speed or endurance , but nature is breeding for survival so nature determines that each bird need a great constitution in order to survive get that right then your halfway there , then you need good management and a good system then your away

 

This is the other thing when fanciers talk of "superior" birds, who makes them that way the bird or the fancier! Like they say you can buy the bird .....................

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

Timbarra would this cock fit the bill for you, don't be fooled that he has to be good cos i had a photo, every bird in the loft was!!

 

 

As i have said before my breeding criteria is simple, very simple, and that is it is decided by the basket. Only 12 pairs racers and 6 stock pairs, so most years every bird bred from.  For a box ( or perch) it races or it breeds. It will have a chance upto 2 years old, stock sometimes 3. Nice smooth feathering is the only thing i like to see, winners come in all shapes and forms-fact.

 

 

i agree that all winners come in all shapes and sizes and same again varibles in weather conditions and wind and distance to add to the mix , indeed one of my birds from the past was always front heavy before winning hardly a ballanced bird when he was at his best but when at home end totaly ballanced  

 

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

The cock is a lovely bird , a good example of the strain or family, is he good?

 

All winners come in different shapes and sizes , if only you have different shapes and sizes in your loft, i dont, but thats just me.

[Guest]

The cock is a lovely bird , a good example of the strain or family, is he good?

 

All winners come in different shapes and sizes , if only you have different shapes and sizes in your loft, i dont, but thats just me.

 

He raced well but bred nowt (for me anyway).

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

The cock is a lovely bird , a good example of the strain or family, is he good?

 

All winners come in different shapes and sizes , if only you have different shapes and sizes in your loft, i dont, but thats just me.

 

intresting statement because i find that most fanciers favour a certain race point because they never seem not to hit it , and i put this down to type of birds that they select so if same size ectra there usualy of similar abilitys with the odd randomisation   i prefer medium to small birds as big birds need more work and are harder to keep fit  

[just ask me]

 

He raced well but bred nowt (for me anyway).

 

 

i could tell by his eye  ;D only messing have had a few like that ok sometimes i find that his children might breed a good bird have found that once or twice ok

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

 

i could tell by his eye  ;D only messing have had a few like that ok sometimes i find that his children might breed a good bird have found that once or twice ok

 

hi J A M,

I would believe if you had a good race cock that did not breed well in his children , as you say the children then possibly breed the winners and more than likely his daughters would produce the good birds more than the sons.?  did you find this ?

 

[just ask me]

 

hi J A M,

I would believe if you had a good race cock that did not breed well in his children , as you say the children then possibly breed the winners and more than likely his daughters would produce the good birds more than the sons.?  did you find this ?

 

i would have found that yes but then again i would have used them for widowhood hens so would would have bred a lot more of his hens then cocks as they would not of made it into my team of cocks as i don't care what the father or mother has done to be truthful

 

so i would say yes but as u can understand i would have bred more young ones off his daughters hope this makes sense

[Guest]

 

hi J A M,

I would believe if you had a good race cock that did not breed well in his children , as you say the children then possibly breed the winners and more than likely his daughters would produce the good birds more than the sons.?  did you find this ?

 

 

no they did'nt either lol

 

 

[Guest Freebird]

a baby boy cant kick a ball when born ? he cant even crawl or stand new born his genes hes been given by his parents determine that in nature there is no room for derormaty so weak / disabled birds get naturaly suppressed , but nature is a battle of survival , lets take a good footballer great fitness ectra but there just as likely to have a disabled child i can think of this senario without adding names , so your saying were all born to kick a man made object ? i suppose we all could actualy kick it but to control it and be able to be in good control takes skills which are learned , so we could take 2 boys in a race for instance one with head lice one with none who would win the race ? it wouldnt be a factor in the boy winning having head lice but it would be down to determination and applying themself into doing what they want to do , even if both applied themselves one would expect a result of a win or a draw or outright win , look at this dancing on ice non ice skaters as not intrested give them some tv time and money , there good skaters some could be proffesional

 

You been on that cheap "holiday booze"(happy)(happy)(happy)

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

yes it makes sense, and i thought it would be the case, thanks.

 

have a good season mate.

[cemetary]

I have got some pairs who are brother and sister paired together, here is just a pic of one pair.

 

Just hope they fly like a rocket, the young birds look fine, handled them and they look fine young, the others are sitting eggs.  

[OLDYELLOW]

 

You been on that cheap "holiday booze(happy)(happy)(happy)

 

aye all inclusive   think they'll be bust shortly  ;D ;D ;D :D

[just ask me]

i really belive a lot is down to luck with pigeons with breeders and racers what can we do only try to what we think are the best birds that we can afford also that will excel that the distance we want take for example the kanniaball and figo two great pigeons that are leaving there mark all over Europe in and further a field two of us could go buy two children off these one breeds great things other breeds noting its just a matter of luck that u can have a bird that carrying the winning breeding genes i select on birds that are winning in 2009 2008 don't really care about what 5 or more generations back also on what management system hes flying lofts as in most cases we cant compete with the type lofts they have foreign and also must be winning in other areas

 

at home simple really pigeons with results good results stay rest don't i would say i do like to to see certain things in a pigeon how they handle and all that but for me that secondary so my thinking on genes is create as big as winning gene pool as possible and see what happens

 

any way pigeons look an awfull lot  nicer with a few 1sts in front of them

[OLDYELLOW]

i really belive a lot is down to luck with pigeons with breeders and racers what can we do only try to what we think are the best birds that we can afford also that will excel that the distance we want take for example the kanniaball and figo two great pigeons that are leaving there mark all over Europe in and further a field two of us could go buy two children off these one breeds great things other breeds noting its just a matter of luck that u can have a bird that carrying the winning breeding genes i select on birds that are winning in 2009 2008 don't really care about what 5 or more generations back also on what management system hes flying lofts as in most cases we cant compete with the type lofts they have foreign and also must be winning in other areas

 

at home simple really pigeons with results good results stay rest don't i would say i do like to to see certain things in a pigeon how they handle and all that but for me that secondary so my thinking on genes is create as big as winning gene pool as possible and see what happens

 

any way pigeons look an awfull lot  nicer with a few 1sts in front of them

 

how true a ugly pigeon with a few 1sts is a beauty and i had a 2 x 1st fed cock aptly named ugly  

[just ask me]

 

how true a ugly pigeon with a few 1sts is a beauty and i had a 2 x 1st fed cock aptly named ugly  

 

and read recentlly how some pets look like there owners  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

and read recentlly how some pets look like there owners  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

no wonder yas dont put any pictures up   ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

I have got some pairs who are brother and sister paired together, here is just a pic of one pair.

 

Just hope they fly like a rocket, the young birds look fine, handled them and they look fine young, the others are sitting eggs.  

 

 

what a wonderful pair of pigeons mate, the one in the bowl is a beauty..  

 

 

[just ask me]

 

no wonder yas dont put any pictures up   ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)

 

for the ladies i couldent they go mad  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

 

ohhh and them droppings look great on them birds too

[OLDYELLOW]

 

for the ladies i couldent they go mad  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

 

ohhh and them droppings look great on them birds too

 

i was on about yer doos not yas doughnuts