losses once again

[Taylorsloft]

i had 13 birds at thornton on saturday 12 home 1 lost and it was the frist race for 12 of them .so realy blackswan i dont no what happened to the birds .mixing with the dundee birds is a good posibility but i had a good race   :P :P ;D

[Taylorsloft]

thornton is 80 miles to aberdeen

[rembrant2coo]

thornton is 80 miles to aberdeen

 

where in aberdeen do you stay up the top side

[Guest IB]

Our Fed's first YB race is Coldstream (62 miles) repeated, then next is Otterburn (82 miles). I have in the past started pigeons at our 3rd race, 82 miles, without problems.

 

I think the Aberdeen Fed race is typical of races generally nowadays ... a tale of two races, for some really good, for others really bad. Our race from Kelso last week was no different ...

 

The annoying thing is everyone seemingly jumping to their own conclusions why it happens. Plenty theories, few facts. I think it is high time we started fitting some birds with radio transmitters to turn those theories into hard facts. Would be nice to know exactly what is happening to our birds after liberation.  Then we might be able to do something about it.

[Roland]

What I saying is frankly, if the birds are Loft fit, and had a c2/3/4 chucks and came alright, then quite simplely if they have the ability, and want to home, they will, and be up with leaders.

I can't see how any one can presume that fanciers chuck in birds when they are unfit / not fit enough. Many are lost after yonks of training, indeed at the first hurdle.

[Guest IB]

Our Fed's first YB race is Coldstream (62 miles) repeated, then next is Otterburn (82 miles). I have in the past started pigeons at our 3rd race, 82 miles, without problems.

 

I think the Aberdeen Fed race is typical of races generally nowadays ... a tale of two races, for some really good, for others really bad. Our race from Kelso last week was no different ...

 

The annoying thing is everyone seemingly jumping to their own conclusions why it happens. Plenty theories, few facts. I think it is high time we started fitting some birds with radio transmitters to turn those theories into hard facts. Would be nice to know exactly what is happening to our birds after liberation.  Then we might be able to do something about it.

[blackswan]

well with all this excitment i am going to take a we holiday so see you all when i get back.

[DOVEScot]

well with all this excitment i am going to take a we holiday so see you all when i get back.

 

What about the white mice I have for you :-/ :-/ :-/

[rembrant2coo]

Our Fed's first YB race is Coldstream (62 miles) repeated, then next is Otterburn (82 miles). I have in the past started pigeons at our 3rd race, 82 miles, without problems.

 

I think the Aberdeen Fed race is typical of races generally nowadays ... a tale of two races, for some really good, for others really bad. Our race from Kelso last week was no different ...

 

The annoying thing is everyone seemingly jumping to their own conclusions why it happens. Plenty theories, few facts. I think it is high time we started fitting some birds with radio transmitters to turn those theories into hard facts. Would be nice to know exactly what is happening to our birds after liberation.  Then we might be able to do something about it.

 

IB i would like to see more contact with race controllers they are the ones who are responsible for the line of flight ,but also the convoyer is to play his part as well no good line of flight if not good enough at race point and thats sometimes where it all goes wrong more communication between controllers of different org if possible, so we don,t get these clashes its alright once we are down the road a bit and the young ones find there bearings

then you will find they have a line they keep too, but controllers please more contact with each other .

[rembrant2coo]

 

What about the white mice I have for you :-/ :-/ :-/

 

if there chocalate ones you will just have to eat them your self or keep some for me the morn

[Taylorsloft]

 

where in aberdeen do you stay up the top side

 

yes the north of aberdeen the posh end   :) thats how i train from the north most of the time as it takes to long to go across aberdeen

[rembrant2coo]

 

yes the north of aberdeen the posh end   :) thats how i train from the north most of the time as it takes to long to go across aberdeen

 

thats why its 80 miles

[DOVEScot]

 

if there chocalate ones you will just have to eat them your self or keep some for me the morn

 

Butter shortcake tomorrow

[jimmy white]

Our Fed's first YB race is Coldstream (62 miles) repeated, then next is Otterburn (82 miles). I have in the past started pigeons at our 3rd race, 82 miles, without problems.

 

I think the Aberdeen Fed race is typical of races generally nowadays ... a tale of two races, for some really good, for others really bad. Our race from Kelso last week was no different ...

 

The annoying thing is everyone seemingly jumping to their own conclusions why it happens. Plenty theories, few facts. I think it is high time we started fitting some birds with radio transmitters to turn those theories into hard facts. Would be nice to know exactly what is happening to our birds after liberation.  Then we might be able to do something about it.

 

just talking about this the other day , i think we could learn a lot from this  

 

 

[Williedoo]

nothing changes young birds down the swanny aberdeen fed what a laugh if you want your birds lost come and stay up here year after year the same thing happens 55% young birds gone in one race so what is going on ,sat morring what time did the transporter set off  and did the birds get time for a drink and were the birds let go when the dundee fed were above them the dundee fed let go at stow, at seven  about thirty miles south of thornton'the dundee birds took an hour much the same speed as the aberdeen birds so was it get to the race point  and let's cut the "strings" the aberdeen fed let go at seven thirty.

The thing that gets me is the original post seems to want to lay the blame for the supposed 55% bird lose at Thornton 2/8/08 on the organisers of the race one way or another.

Fact: It was a perfect racing day for us with a s/w wind, as the winning birds showed.

Fact: Most of the people that went to the first races had a good race with very good returns.

Fact: No one has phoned me to complane about big losses.

Fact: Most of the birds reported to me and other club Secs are just a few Mls from the race point.

Fact: the organisers did nothing wrong leeding up to the release of the birds.

So what caused these supposed 55% losses.

 

[bobtail]

as i see it the only person getting concerned is willie doo and he seems to have all the answers if this blackswan says that he has 55% of a loss just let it be and move on or is there somthing in what he is saying

[Williedoo]

as i see it the only person getting concerned is willie doo and he seems to have all the answers if this blackswan says that he has 55% of a loss just let it be and move on or is there somthing in what he is saying

People who Know me as you must,its getting on with my own birds and racing them that I am most concerned with.

Being Fed Sec,I can take it or leave it.

But I think as Sec I should stick up for the Fed and post the facts,if no one posted a reply to the original post what woud people on this forum think.

If it was me I would be saying that must be right as no one has contested what has been posted.

To answere you last question,there is absolutely nothing in what the post was saying.

 

[Guest]

 

How many mice do you want

 

as many as you'v got, the dog loves to play with them.(dizzy)

[Bluedoo]

hi dovessot i stay not far from cadham,

 

I'm confused if this guy stays here, then he is a wee bit out of Abdn boundary. Or have I missed something...............again.

 

[DOVEScot]

 

I'm confused if this guy stays here, then he is a wee bit out of Abdn boundary. Or have I missed something...............again.

 

Your not the only one

[DOVEScot]

 

as many as you'v got, the dog loves to play with them.(dizzy)

 

You can can have the rest once Blackswan gets his

[Ian McKay]

as i see it the only person getting concerned is willie doo and he seems to have all the answers if this blackswan says that he has 55% of a loss just let it be and move on or is there somthing in what he is saying

 

Sorry bobtail. Blackswan did not say he had 55% losses he is indicating the Federation.

 

He queries various points but refused to disclose who he is or how much training he has done and how many races he has went to with his young birds.

 

 

[bobtail]

ian mckay i think you should read the post again blackswan never said one or the other i guess he may have ment his own birds i never read it saying fed birds.

[Bluedoo]

Methinks Blackswan has nothing whatsoever to do with Ab fed, other than making mischief. When I first read this thread I thought he was an Ab member, but at no time does he say he is. The members I have spoken  to have had 25% losses, which ties in with the amount Williedoo was missing.

[Guest IB]

ian mckay i think you should read the post again blackswan never said one or the other i guess he may have ment his own birds i never read it saying fed birds.

 

I'd have to agree with Ian MacKay. Quite clear this post was a complaint (or a go?) at the Fed and the management of the race birds. If this is not an Aberdeen Fed member then he appears to be stirring, perhaps on the basis of being fed false information?