Glasgow Fed Members

[hotrod]

well racing from east to west hasent done the glasgow boys any harm in national races in both the snrpc and the snfc ,some outstanding performances with both old birds and young birds .and fair play im further west than you and it does,nt stop my birds topping the fed ,maybe the alexandria boys should try a wee bit harder .

[andy]

 

A westerly wind will keep the birds up the east side of the pentlands.

 

In an easterly they do come up the opposite side more often and on those days the pigeons

 

in the east come back from the west side more often than not.

 

The wind direction more or less determines the winners , but you always get the exception

 

 

 

 

I stay at the west of Edinburgh and never see Lanarkshire birds going over on racedays. They always go round the back of the Pentlands. You only get the odd stray youngsters the day after the race when they are tired and don't fight the wind.

[hotrod]

I would personally bin the three Cockenzies as I don't see what purpose they serve other than to train your birds to go to Edinburgh for their holidays numerous fanciers on here has told me that our birds old included all fly towards the Forth Coast then the Campsie Hills down to Glasgow and beyond. Who does that favour? certainly not me. I have no problem flying East but on a much truer line of flight

just to make a point tam cockenzie is directly on the forth so they probably be over the forth within seconds of liberation ,maybe you should check your map .

 

 

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Its just my own opinion.. but i think the first race point should be in a position as to where you expect the birds to cross over roughly on every other race point as the season goes on..

 

For example when we used to race from Crawford, it was thought that each week the doos would roughly pass there in there last 50 or so miles to the loft, this is why the early races where from here to get them on a good line and racing the last 50 miles..

 

I jst dont see the benefit in racing from the east of Scotland..??

[fastblack]

Its just my own opinion.. but i think the first race point should be in a position as to where you expect the birds to cross over roughly on every other race point as the season goes on..

 

For example when we used to race from Crawford, it was thought that each week the doos would roughly pass there in there last 50 or so miles to the loft, this is why the early races where from here to get them on a good line and racing the last 50 miles..

 

I jst dont see the benefit in racing from the east of Scotland..??

 

here here

[hotrod]

Its just my own opinion.. but i think the first race point should be in a position as to where you expect the birds to cross over roughly on every other race point as the season goes on..

 

For example when we used to race from Crawford, it was thought that each week the doos would roughly pass there in there last 50 or so miles to the loft, this is why the early races where from here to get them on a good line and racing the last 50 miles..

 

I jst dont see the benefit in racing from the east of Scotland..??

i think you should fly with midland fed and see how there racing goes down that way . maybe years ago not for 15 years or so ,as the bop just have a field day , i have raced from the east for years and its only when you get to the otterburn area that the races get a bit dodgie ,and your wanting to start there  :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

[hotrod]

 

here here

you another alexandria member as well ? lookin for excuses

 

 

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Im not saying start from Otterburn.. im saying any races that we have prior to that should be on a line between Glasgow and Otterburn... instead of due east..

 

 

[Novice]

Its just my own opinion.. but i think the first race point should be in a position as to where you expect the birds to cross over roughly on every other race point as the season goes on..

 

For example when we used to race from Crawford, it was thought that each week the doos would roughly pass there in there last 50 or so miles to the loft, this is why the early races where from here to get them on a good line and racing the last 50 miles..

 

I jst dont see the benefit in racing from the east of Scotland..??

 

Ayrshire federation changed their program and raced from the East of Scotland last year.

The benefit was that, following a disaster from Lockerbie (our first race), most members hardly lost a youngster at the following 6 races.

The logic is that we are racing through populated industrial areas with fewer attacks by falcons. Further there is no clashing with North Roaders in the final races.

I have no idea how these youngsters will perform as yearlings. Only time will tell.  

 

 

[hotrod]

Im not saying start from Otterburn.. im saying any races that we have prior to that should be on a line between Glasgow and Otterburn... instead of due east..

 

 

come on then you tell me where from then ,oh and just remember do your homework on the lib site ,ie can the lorry get access etc

[hotrod]

 

Ayrshire federation changed their program and raced from the East of Scotland last year.

The benefit was that, following a disaster from Lockerbie (our first race), most members hardly lost a youngster at the following 6 races.

The logic is that we are racing through populated industrial areas with fewer attacks by falcons. Further there is no clashing with North Roaders in the final races.

I have no idea how these youngsters will perform as yearlings. Only time will tell.  

 

robert weve all tried the west route and lanark did it 2 years ago and had an egm to change back east during the season as they were gettin gutted , the only feed still going down the west are midland and hoody and big del know the score on that one

 

 

[Fair Play]

Aye Stuart over the Forth heading for Fife yes you may well be further West but you have a "flat" run in to Port Glasgow we still have to negotiate the Kilpatrick hills and up the Leven Valley. Coming up the Campsies they would have to have a rocket up their ar*se to get a Fed position

[hotrod]

Im not saying start from Otterburn.. im saying any races that we have prior to that should be on a line between Glasgow and Otterburn... instead of due east..

 

cockenzie is 65 miles to me so if you go southeast 65 miles your in the heart of bandit territory trust me ,otterburn is 108 ,crawford was 47 miles

 

 

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Now can i just say by no means am i suggesting we revert to the old west route.. and that i think racing down the east of England is a great idea.

 

Could the first races not be somewhere just a liitle west of St.Boswells/ Kelso..??

 

And remeber this is only my opinion.. im as entitled to mine as you are to yours...

[clyde]

Im not saying start from Otterburn.. im saying any races that we have prior to that should be on a line between Glasgow and Otterburn... instead of due east..

 

 

try stob,s camp

[hotrod]

Now can i just say by no means am i suggesting we revert to the old west route.. and that i think racing down the east of England is a great idea.

 

Could the first races not be somewhere just a liitle west of St.Boswells/ Kelso..??

 

And remeber this is only my opinion.. im as entitled to mine as you are to yours...

of course your entitled to your opinion mate , as i have said  been there tried that and  the races from cockenzie have been a great way of learning your babies about a night out and to come out the basket and not to far away from home ,who cares if you win or not from these races its only an education ,ill put this to you ask on another thread WHERE THE WEST SECTION MEMBERS TRAIN THERE DOO,S  GO ON ASK . I,LL TELL YOU AROUND 90% WILL TRAIN EAST

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

will never open up to the campsie hills   ;D ;D ;D

 

 

or us????????

[hotrod]

 

try stob,s camp

AND whos raced from there before ?  or is it because lanarkshire are going to this place  

 

 

[Guest stb-]

 

I stay at the west of Edinburgh and never see Lanarkshire birds going over on racedays. They always go round the back of the Pentlands. You only get the odd stray youngsters the day after the race when they are tired and don't fight the wind.

who mentioned lanarkshire birds Andy

 

 

[Fair Play]

I don't have any problem with the old bird program as it stands but don't see the point flying from Cockenzie rather see them go down the same route as the o/b program and see if it makes any difference to the result or general performance of the birds. Where did all Lanarkshire's birds go  and it it not true one of the Ayrshire Feds could not complete the program because of lack of birds. To be honest there are raptors all over the country and no area is exclusively free and without being derogatory to anyone change is opposed by those that have most to lose JMO

[Guest frank dooman]

 

I stay at the west of Edinburgh and never see Lanarkshire birds going over on racedays. They always go round the back of the Pentlands. You only get the odd stray youngsters the day after the race when they are tired and don't fight the wind.

 

100% ive tried for years to get my birds out of the south the same as most fanciers and its only now that that happens now that we are racing with the glasgow fed the birds break west long before edinburgh maybe at cockenzie or hadington

[hotrod]

I don't have any problem with the old bird program as it stands but don't see the point flying from Cockenzie rather see them go down the same route as the o/b program and see if it makes any difference to the result or general performance of the birds. Where did all Lanarkshire's birds go  and it it not true one of the Ayrshire Feds could not complete the program because of lack of birds. To be honest there are raptors all over the country and no area is exclusively free and without being derogatory to anyone change is opposed by those that have most to lose JMO

 

i agree tam with some of this post  especially about bop being everywhere , if you remember two years back the 3 x cockenzie races were done away with and after some dodgie races surprise surprise they were back on the following year, and i hope you dont think i have lots to lose mate as i am only interested in the longer races ,but i only want some birds left to try these longer ones ,because if you do away with the first 3 races your asking for trouble

[Guest stb-]

I don't have any problem with the old bird program as it stands but don't see the point flying from Cockenzie rather see them go down the same route as the o/b program and see if it makes any difference to the result or general performance of the birds. Where did all Lanarkshire's birds go  and it it not true one of the Ayrshire Feds could not complete the program because of lack of birds. To be honest there are raptors all over the country and no area is exclusively free and without being derogatory to anyone change is opposed by those that have most to lose JMO

you should treat cockenzie as a reasonably safe educational excursion for your yb,

 

lets them settle and get used to the basket  for a night coming out and homing  without

 

to many predator attaks and clashing.  when we raced down the west side i still trained from the east then  

 

 

[hotrod]

you should treat cockenzie as a reasonably safe educational excursion for your yb,

 

lets them settle and get used to the basket  for a night coming out and homing  without

 

to many predator attaks and clashing.  when we raced down the west side i still trained from the east then  

 

 

rab i just posted the same as this a few posts ago, its only an education thats all , motovation is what makes the doo,s cut the corner nothing else

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Not for a minute do i think these early race should be done away with.. just re - located..

 

Hotrod you said other points have been tried.. can you tell me where the race points were..??