People who use Baytril

[Guest]

lol

[Guest]

Well Roland bieng registered partially sighted might take me a little longer ????????        im sure ill get there in the end though !    cheers    andy  8)

[andy]

PEOPLE WHO USE BAYTRIL? WAS THE QUESTION.

DINGALS..........UNLESS PROBLEM DIAGNOSED & BAYTRIL PRESCRIBED BY A QUALIFIED VETERINARY.

[Beanz]

Andy, had Baytril prescribed by a vet one of the pigeon vets that advertises in the magazines but she did not know what was wrong with my birds at the time, told me what they didn't have but not what they did still took a chunk of money off me though

[ribble]

is it true you can lift the birds performance if administered a certain way on one particular day????????

[darin]

Bob, I use sainsbury's apple cider vinegar but I read an article a long time ago that said it must be organic as the way organic cider vinegar is processed it doesn't take any of the key nutrients out that is required to do any good. It also must be 5% proof to be effective. Hope this helps.

 

you can still do damage to the pigeons use,ing cider vinegar !!!!

[ALF]

THIS IS THE KIND OF THREAD I LIKE EVERYONE IS A VET...LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

Darin I read that too, if you administer cider vinegar too often it can burn the liver.

[jimmy white]

Andy, had Baytril prescribed by a vet one of the pigeon vets that advertises in the magazines but she did not know what was wrong with my birds at the time, told me what they didn't have but not what they did still took a chunk of money off me though

 

while i agree with the proper vet, advice, would have to say ,there are vets and there are vets , some are devoted to their job for the love of it, others tend to be on the money making side,, [as i have found out myself in the past]

[Guest]

 

while i agree with the proper vet, advice, would have to say ,there are vets and there are vets , some are devoted to their job for the love of it, others tend to be on the money making side,, [as i have found out myself in the past]

 

I think the worst instances I've seen were as an armchair viewer.  

 

Never forget the 'viking vets' programme on TV, and one particular case, a young lad and his pet chicken. She hadn't a scoobie doo what was wrong with the bird, and as far as I know didn't take any specimens from it, yet pumped it full of antibiotics. Lad came back with the bird, still ailing, she admitted she didn't know what was wrong with it ... and put the bird down.  :'(

 

Much the same with the wildlife rescue programmes ... 'we'll give it antibiotics just in case theres any infection .... '  >

 

 

[Guest]

Cider Apple Vinegar story:  ;D

 

Developed cold sores in both corners of me mouth ... haven't suffered from them since teenage days .. and apart from 'germolene' at night, no treatment. Getting pain even opening me mouth just a little bit.

 

Yesterday had a salad 'piece' and put cav on it. Chomping away quite the thing when I felt a queer sting in one corner of me mouth. Took a while to die away (er the sting, no me   ;D  )  Today, me mouth opens ok without any pain, yet the sores are still there.

 

Disnae have a happy ending tho, today me 'healed' mouth got me into trouble wiv the wife, she hasn't spoken to me all day.   :B:(     Or maybe my hearing has gone...

 

 

[THE FIFER]

I THINK CIDER VINEGAR IS GOOD JIMMY BUT REALLY EVEN HOUSEHOLD MALT (VINEGAR JIMMY NOT THE WHISKY) IS GOOD FOR LOTS OF THINGS  (YES AND SO IS THE WHISKY)

[me]

Never forget the 'viking vets' programme on TV, and one particular case, a young lad and his pet chicken. She hadn't a scoobie doo what was wrong with the bird, and as far as I know didn't take any specimens from it, yet pumped it full of antibiotics. Lad came back with the bird, still ailing, she admitted she didn't know what was wrong with it ... and put the bird down.  

 

THERE IS ALWAS A TIME WHEN VETS WILL SHOOT FROM THE HIP NO CHOICE SOMETIMES TIME DELAY IN TREATMENT IS OFTEN FATAL WITH BIRDS AND BAYTRIL IS ONE OF THE VERY BEST TO TRY IF YOU ARE "GUESSING" MUCH BETTER THAN CIDER VINEGAR UNLESS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING FOR YOUR CHIPS. VINEGAR ONLY ALTERS PH AND OF COURSE DISCOURAGES BIRDS FROM DRINKING WHICH  HELPS DRY UP DROPPINGS. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

[me]

"THIS IS THE KIND OF THREAD I LIKE EVERYONE IS A VET...LOL "

 

NOT EVERYONE THATS OBVIOUS

[Guest slugmonkey]

If your birds droppings are loose,try taking the water away from  them to dry up droppings and they will begin to loose moisture and mass right away so the birds not drinking theory holds no water...  by altering the PH the enviroment in the host becomes uninhabitable as most bacteria and viruses have a vey narrow range that they can survive in not to mention that the PH of the droppings also change this decreases the likely hood of spreading the pathogen through fecal matter

[Guest slugmonkey]

I agree that that sometimes it is necessary to shoot from the hip but sometimes you need to shoot with a pistol and not a bazooka !!!

[trapperjoe69]

hi - agree about not using antibiotics, but i must point out something that happened to me a few years ago that almost put me out of pigeons -

 

my birds became ill, droppings green, paralysis of legs, wings & torsion of neck & poor balance, young birds started dying, i went to vet and was given an antibiotic, i felt it made them worse dying a lot quicker, after researching internet i realised i had paratyphoid (salmonelois), i moved birds to baytrill, this did the trick and helped birds fight disease, although i made a decision that the birds were already subjected to disease too long so culled.

 

if i ever see these symtoms again - i will aminister baytrill without question

 

i feel a balanced approach is best

[me]

"if i ever see these symtoms again - i will aminister baytrill without question"

 

"a wise man learns by anothers mistakes a fool makes his own"-a smart *expletive removed*

 

sadly trapperjoe69 where pigeon men are concerned the latter is invariably true some people on this forum are more likely to try cider vinegar or some dairy product you can purchase from Tescos but I'm pleased you have learned your lesson. Genuinely sorry it was such a hard one to learn there is nothing worse than losing good birds to illness.

 

all the best.

[jimmy white]

often have a chat with a doctor in the  s a c at the bush estate , he was telling me it was wise to treat for worms and cocci fairly regular [which i hadnt been doing ] but when i mentioned baytrill he told me that the pigeon fanciers are the worlds worse for giving this[ excellent antibiotic for proper use prescribed by a good avian vet] willy nilly,,, and selling it on the blackmarket when it is ruining the pigeons , by giving it too much , some everyweek ,,, his words were baytrill is not to be messed about with.

[Wiley]

people rely on baytrill to much and think its the cure for everything.It is a brillant product if used correctly and not used to treat everything,when used correctly dont think you can beat the product it does the job i rely it on.I only use it 10days prior to vaccinating for paratyphoid

[blackjack]

Baytril if used properly and so administered on proper vetinary advice nobody would argue but to many do not and administer it for the wrong things on wrong dosages. This is a drug designed for e coli scours in calves and as stated before its a one use drug a very last resort.

[Guest cloudview]

also remember , antibiotics  do not cure  a virus , if  any thing  they  make  the  illness worse  , by  killing  all  built up imnunity , so all that happens  is  cocci  etc etc goes sky high  ,resulting  in  even more wet droppings and  general  debility

[Guest]

hi - agree about not using antibiotics, but i must point out something that happened to me a few years ago that almost put me out of pigeons -

 

my birds became ill, droppings green, paralysis of legs, wings & torsion of neck & poor balance, young birds started dying, i went to vet and was given an antibiotic, i felt it made them worse dying a lot quicker, after researching internet i realised i had paratyphoid (salmonelois), i moved birds to baytrill, this did the trick and helped birds fight disease, although i made a decision that the birds were already subjected to disease too long so culled.

 

if i ever see these symtoms again - i will aminister baytrill without question

 

i feel a balanced approach is best

 

 

Don't follow your reasoning.

 

(1) Paratyphoid is a bacterial disease and you were prescribed an antibiotic for it. Baytril is another antibiotic.

 

(2) The symptoms you describe could be at least three diseases all caused by very different organisms. No amount of internet research will diagnose this for you. For example it could have been Paramyxo and Baytril won't cure it either, because it is a viral infection.

 

Some feel there are 'lots of vets' in the thread: my advice is as always stay well within the limits of your knowledge and experience. When you're faced with something big like you were, then visit a good avian vet [as you did] and follow the treatment advice. Only a vet could make the correct diagnosis in the case you describe, and prescribe correctly.

 

[me]

"This is a drug designed for e coli scours in calves and as stated before its a one use drug a very last resort" - Blackjack

 

This is not actually true this family of antibiotics are fairly well used in human systemic treatment as well.

[birdman55678]

Blackjack this is a great thread and I am glad you brought it up.  Nowadays people think they have a sick bird and they start treating for everything and keep going until the bird dies or  is better.  My policy has been to never treat anything unless I know what I am treating for.  I have used Apple cider vinegar for years and very seldom have any sick birds.  Ed