nyfuramycin & young bird sickness

[Guest bigbok]

their is better stuff out their for sure but is it not time now to stop and think !!! is the over use of antibiotics not one of the reasons you are now suffereing from this ybs

i do not fly racers but have had them most of my life nearly 30 years i use them as feeders for my show pigeons we do not get this sickness and our birds are under as much stress!! i use antibiotics when i need to i use probiotics alot and electrolytes and find this with good clean water (esential) and the same with corn

im not a gambling man but i bet the likes of jos thone and his crew never use antibiotics or other medications as willy nilly as alot of racing guys im not generailising coz we have the same in the fancy world alot of my friends have coloured water daily and wonder why they always have crappy breeding season or results

[Guest bigbok]

 

this is my worry people say use it after every race to prevent yb sickness but surley this is doin no good to there insides ect  for eg you used to see pigeons winning well at 4year old plus know where iam everyone  saying after 2 years old 3 at a push they no good coz they cant keep up could this be because of antibiotics being used too much and burning there insides away ???

 

missed this

over use of antibiotics will kill all the good gut bacteria leaving them more vunerable to disease especially if they are getting it as heavy as this

 

[Guest strapper]

their is better stuff out their for sure but is it not time now to stop and think !!! is the over use of antibiotics not one of the reasons you are now suffereing from this ybs i do not fly racers but have had them most of my life nearly 30 years i use them as feeders for my show pigeons we do not get this sickness and our birds are under as much stress!! i use antibiotics when i need to i use probiotics alot and electrolytes and find this with good clean water (esential) and the same with corn

im not a gambling man but i bet the likes of jos thone and his crew never use antibiotics or other medications as willy nilly as alot of racing guys im not generailising coz we have the same in the fancy world alot of my friends have coloured water daily and wonder why they always have crappy breeding season or results

 

 

i use medications ....

i did not have one problem with my y/birds in 2009

they were not treated(didnt need it) no ybs.. only vaccinated.....old birds were treated.

 

there is a worst scenario than over using medications.....under dosing.

 

i think everyone knows my thoughts on correct dosing,

 

 

 

 

[retired]

 

Don't use baytril mate its a no no, my mate's daughter works in a vets, the vet reckons pigeon flyer use it all wrong. use it once never again

 

Regards

 

 

Demo man i am most certainly not debating what you have said.

 

But take a pigeon to a vet and if they dont know the anwser to your problem they do tend to give out the Baytril quite freely (ok freely maybe not the right word - 'Give it quickly at cost lol)

[demolition man]

 

Demo man i am most certainly not debating what you have said.

 

But take a pigeon to a vet and if they dont know the anwser to your problem they do tend to give out the Baytril quite freely (ok freely maybe not the right word - 'Give it quickly at cost lol)

 

i meant i used it once never again baytril that is

 

[Guest strapper]

baytril is a last resort when all else fails, then it should be used sparingly.

baytril is the strongest medication for its uses.

remember...over use of baytril will leave us with no back up.

 

dont be fooled by the myth that everyone that uses medications are at fault for illneses...ive said this all too often...its the fancier himself that is at fault.

under dosing

over dosing

entering ill birds into race baskets ..thinking a natural cure is best.

all too many reasons but correct dosing is the right direction .

[Guest strapper]

sorry adam i think we have moved from the original thread..nifuramycin

[adam owen]

its ok its all good to read and talk about

[TREBLE D]

ybs is a virus you can not cure, this the use of antibiotics is to stop the spread of secondry infections and nifuramycin is a broad spectrum antibiotic which covers a lot of pigeon problems.

[bombersbullets]

I think its good stuff and cheap compared to some of the things on the market  

[mark proctor]

ybs is a virus you can not cure, this the use of antibiotics is to stop the spread of secondry infections and nifuramycin is a broad spectrum antibiotic which covers a lot of pigeon problems.

 

yippy,,about time,,someone knows what there on about...   :) :)

[adam owen]

 

yippy,,about time,,someone knows what there on about...   :) :)

 

this is why im asking  questions so i can say i no wat im on bout  

[Guest bigbok]

 

 

i use medications ....

i did not have one problem with my y/birds in 2009

they were not treated(didnt need it) no ybs.. only vaccinated.....old birds were treated.

 

there is a worst scenario than over using medications.....under dosing.

 

i think everyone knows my thoughts on correct dosing,

 

 

agree %100 uderdosing is just as bad antibiotic resistantance is the main reason the docs stopped handing it out coz of this underdosing pratice so im in agreeance their

i only treat after droppings sampled and never medicated this season and had a an exceptional season i medicated to much in the 80ties to the point i sterilised my entire stud wthout realising it through over use of auromycin terramycin linco spectrum and baytril and flurozolodine i was plagued with Ecoli brought in from america and on my idiotic vets advice i continued until i hit the wall

now i have the tee shirt and wear it to remind me of the dangers

 

 

 

[Guest bigbok]

 

Young bird sickness has spread rapidly around the world in recent years, causing severe losses among young birds.

 

Pathogen:

This is a mixed infection, involving viruses and bacteria (especially E.coli and cocci, but also protozoa).

The pathogens are transmitted by air, dust and contact between birds, as well as via communal drinking water and feed.

Outbreaks of the disease are promoted by stress factors such as weaning, the introduction of strange birds into a loft, vaccination, heat (accelerated bacterial growth, water shortage), training of juveniles (basketing) and young pigeon flights.

 

Symptoms of the disease:

The disease can take two forms:

 

Sudden death not preceded by any perceptible signs of illness:

A typical scenario sees young pigeons released from the loft for their daily training (on a hot summer's day, perhaps), whereupon they fly around for an hour and then return to the loft. They land on the roof or on the alighting ledge, do not respond to the breeder's attempts to entice them into the loft, and die within the space of a few hours.

 

Death preceded by visible signs of illness:

During the period between the onset of symptoms and death (lasting from 3 days to 1 week), the following symptoms are observed: lack of activity, puffed-up plumage, refusal of feed, swelling of the crop, weight loss, greenish-yellow faeces in puddles, vomiting.

 

Recognition of the disease:

Owing to the numerous pathogens involved in this disease, it is only possible to make a tentative diagnosis.

 

Similar conditions:

E.coli infection, Hexamitiasis.

 

Treatment:

There is no vaccine against young pigeon disease that could be used to prevent infection. However, sick pigeons can be treated with adenosan. And timely use of adenosan may also prevent an outbreak of the disease in birds suspected of infection.

1.      adenosan is used:

            For at least 7 days at the first symptoms of young pigeon disease.

If the disease is only recognised at a later stage, it is additionally necessary to use a chemotherapeutic agent with antibiotic activity (preferably furazolidon+) in order to contain the bacterial infection. The active ingredient furazolidone has been shown to possess specific efficacy against E.coli infections in the gut.

       

2.      adenosan is used in the following situations, where there is reason to fear infection as a result of contact with other young pigeons:

            For a 7-day period when introducing new youngsters to the flock.

            During the flying season, for 3 days after flights.

       

3.      adenosan is used when a disease outbreak is likely as a result of a challenge to the immune system:

            In connection with vaccinations (paramyxovirus infection, Salmonella, pigeon pox) - for 3 days before immunisation and 4 days thereafter.

              

4.      adenosan is used where a change in gut flora predisposes birds to a disease outbreak.

            When treating birds for trichomonads, we recommend parallel administration of adenosan over a period of 7 days, beginning 3 days prior to treatment.

[Guest bigbok]

does not sound like a new disease to me ybs according to the chevita website is a mutated form of ecoli or coci or hexi

sounds familiar to me

over use of baytril has been scientifically linked to shrinkage of the oviaries and liver failure in labradors

[schouwman71]

i use natural yogurt from morrisons,use it 2-3times a week,ive never had young bird sickness,i also use cider viniger aswell,i think it keeps canker at bay aswell,alot of fanciers around me seem to suffer with young bird sickness every year,i dont so i put it down to my managment,oh and i use nyfuromicin every now and again,there droppins day after are like little balls,so thats telling you all is well.

 

les

[Guest Owen]

Years ago I had a lot of YBS and I used antibiotics to cure it because, like a lot of others, I was convinced that the imune system of the birds was compromised. I knew that e-coli was roaring away and cocci and canker were often at high levels. At the time I would find birds dead on the floor in the morning and others would be very ill. Some would have stinking liquid in the crop and refused food until they usually died.

Then I wised up. I realised that even when the birds that had been ill recovered they were never the same again. Some had liver damage and could never properly recover. I stopped treatment all together and killed any that got to be very ill. I then realised that part of the trouble was the fact that the loft was far to clean. I then stopped regular cleaning and created a deep litter which was raked every day to make sure it was always dry. Then I gave the birds a mixture of minerals and broken down clay blocks fresh every day.

The birds were better straight away. I had the odd one that got ill, but nothing like before. These days I flush the crop out with a mixture of washing soda and withhold all food for a couple of days. The sick birds usually recover in about a week or ten days. Any bird that is not showing robust energy and flying with real purpose is killed straight away so that they do not spoil the remainder.

Everybody must decide what sort of pigeons they want to keep. But if you are looking for racing pigeons that are successful you can not afford to harbour weaklings, so you are better off without them. Most of these under par weaklings are lost in the early races anyway. And it is seems very cruel to ask them to do something that they are not capable of doing.  

[Guest bigbok]

Years ago I had a lot of YBS and I used antibiotics to cure it because, like a lot of others, I was convinced that the imune system of the birds was compromised. I knew that e-coli was roaring away and cocci and canker were often at high levels. At the time I would find birds dead on the floor in the morning and others would be very ill. Some would have stinking liquid in the crop and refused food until they usually died.

Then I wised up. I realised that even when the birds that had been ill recovered they were never the same again. Some had liver damage and could never properly recover. I stopped treatment all together and killed any that got to be very ill. I then realised that part of the trouble was the fact that the loft was far to clean. I then stopped regular cleaning and created a deep litter which was raked every day to make sure it was always dry. Then I gave the birds a mixture of minerals and broken down clay blocks fresh every day.

The birds were better straight away. I had the odd one that got ill, but nothing like before. These days I flush the crop out with a mixture of washing soda and withhold all food for a couple of days. The sick birds usually recover in about a week or ten days. Any bird that is not showing robust energy and flying with real purpose is killed straight away so that they do not spoil the remainder.

Everybody must decide what sort of pigeons they want to keep. But if you are looking for racing pigeons that are successful you can not afford to harbour weaklings, so you are better off without them. Most of these under par weaklings are lost in the early races anyway. And it is seems very cruel to ask them to do something that they are not capable of doing.  

 

very sound sensible advice owen

[Guest strapper]

 

yippy,,about time,,someone knows what there on about...   :) :)

 

so dont you think we all already know that...?.

 

the secondary infection is usually e coli ...and a little extra info...there are two types of adeno virus...1-2...there is no such thing as youngbirds sickness....it is wrongly named that because it was found in youngbirds ...not many people know this but youngbird sickness as we usually call it can be found in oldbirds too.

i know this for a fact ,before anyone trys to correct me on this.

oldbirds are affected too but because of a stronger imune system it doesnt affect them in the same way as youngbirds.

adeno virus in oldbirds can sometimes be shown with a crop full of water sometimes called sour crop.

but sour crop can be from different problems...i could go on .

 

so before you try to suggest i didnt know what im talking about think again.

[adam owen]

god you are welsh straight to the point  ;D ;D

[Guest strapper]

god you are welsh straight to the point  ;D ;D

 

lol

[schouwman71]

i think the cleaner the loft is the better the birds will be,but you can look at it in 2 different ways,you can deep litter them and keep the deep litter in tip top condition aswell,i think if you do deep litter you really do need to keep an eye on your birds has its harder to check there droppings,also you do need to have a very dry loft has if the deep litter gets damp then your really in trouble.

[adam owen]

i agree with you there but if the loft is dry the deep litter is dry and if this is dry then the cocci count will stay dwn also find it keeps the birds cleaner too i always clean nest boxes so i can check droppings that way

[Guest strapper]

the boscheind flyers have a good system...they have years of dried droppings on their floor...they insist this gives the birds a better imune system..especially for the young.

i use deep litter too.

 

 

[mark proctor]

 

so dont you think we all already know that...?.

 

the secondary infection is usually e coli ...and a little extra info...there are two types of adeno virus...1-2...there is no such thing as youngbirds sickness....it is wrongly named that because it was found in youngbirds ...not many people know this but youngbird sickness as we usually call it can be found in oldbirds too.

i know this for a fact ,before anyone trys to correct me on this.

oldbirds are affected too but because of a stronger imune system it doesnt affect them in the same way as youngbirds.

adeno virus in oldbirds can sometimes be shown with a crop full of water sometimes called sour crop.

but sour crop can be from different problems...i could go on .

 

so before you try to suggest i didnt know what im talking about think again.

whos talking about you... > > > > > paranoid or what..