Baytril

[walterbmasson]

walter, won races from 50 mls to 525 mls regualy for the last 15 years mate, no white flag here, all im saying is i use it once a year before pairing up for 10 days, only flag i have is to keep them exercising, jmo mate

how many years ] i can tell you in our club alone theres fanciers wished they never saw this rubbish ruined ther birds but food for thought maybe imunity kicks in  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[holmsidelofts]

 

the prob. we have hear is that most know nothing about stuff like baytril and the likes, had a great discussion with rod adams and he says the exact same as you holm. its not meant as an enhancement drug but some use it as such lots of fanciers on here spout long and hard about fanciers abuseing antibiotics just because someone treats  there birds for something thats not abuse abuse is when they use it for 2 weeks prior to a particular race or races to completly clear there birds from all the baddies they might have

if fanciers cant tell the differance between they 2 they should say nothing as i said to rod i draw the line at baytril but i might have to re think if i was unlucky enough to have a realy bad sammonella/e coli  out break

 

you are exactly right frank. there is way to many people giving things with no need for it. birds do perform better if they are clear of disease thats fact, but antibiotics as you said is not the way.

If you do get salmonella this drug really is your life line. abuse it prior and what you find is that it will be no use to you.

 

[holmsidelofts]

how many years ] i can tell you in our club alone theres fanciers wished they never saw this rubbish ruined ther birds but food for thought maybe imunity kicks in  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

So if your birds catch salmonella then walter what are you gonna do kill them all.

[walterbmasson]

 

So if your birds catch salmonella then walter what are you gonna do kill them all.

 

there no good to me with salmona what i want them for if salmonella i cant see birds performing to there zeneth if salmona is found hopefully not the ones that had would have to be destroyed rather than go backwards years ago i would have taken a bird to robbie mc donald he would always help fanciers with ailing birds but once that needle goes into the bird treat it i dont know about anyboady else that bird has a weakness left and eventually it goes down so why take up the space of healthy birds ???????????????

[Tipplerman]

Lots of pros and cons on use of baytril, all i wanted was advice on post treating the birds after administering the antibiotic, i was going to treat withj parastop but managed to get the baytril quickly

[Guest frank dooman]

remember walter one of the great scottish fanciers lost all his great moneymakers with sammonella never realy recovered from that ( Bobby  Curthers )it can happen to anybody and i think anyone would jump at anything to save a life times breeding

[walterbmasson]

Lots of pros and cons on use of baytril, all i wanted was advice on post treating the birds after administering the antibiotic, i was going to treat withj parastop but managed to get the baytril quickly

 

my advice bin it use honey glucose any thing but baytril :-/ :-/ :-/

[Guest bigbok]

i like to have a bottle of baytril handy in the fridge and keep it until near the sell by date and then move it on and replace it with a fresh bottle hopeing that i never need to use it baytril or endofloxin is a very good antibiotic its very strong and depending on the dose or  strength always use the lowest percentage %2.5 is the best and only give as a last resort  i prefere the baytril tablets or the parastop

[Tipplerman]

Bigbok - the stuff i have is 10% from a well known supplier in Sunderland dont want to name drop on this for obvious reasons, he reckons 1ml to 1 ltr for 5 - 7 days? but i keep reading on this site for 10 days

[holmsidelofts]

 

there no good to me with salmona what i want them for if salmonella i cant see birds performing to there zeneth if salmona is found hopefully not the ones that had would have to be destroyed rather than go backwards years ago i would have taken a bird to robbie mc donald he would always help fanciers with ailing birds but once that needle goes into the bird treat it i dont know about anyboady else that bird has a weakness left and eventually it goes down so why take up the space of healthy birds ???????????????

 

Let me get this right then so what you are saying is once a bird has a needle in it they are weak birds, so you dont vaccinate for PMV either then.

 

You really are talking about something you know nothing about. If you get salmonella you wont have to destroy them the bacteria will do a good job of doing that for you. and whats left will be carries so you will in theory be destroying them also.

 

For me that attitude is as bad as the people who abuse baytril. You are responsible for the livelihood of the birds you keep. Im sorry but you dont deserve to be allowed to keep birds.

 

 

 

[blackdog]

Bigbok - the stuff i have is 10% from a well known supplier in Sunderland dont want to name drop on this for obvious reasons, he reckons 1ml to 1 ltr for 5 - 7 days? but i keep reading on this site for 10 days

 

 

go for 10 days mate, once went to a moot a few years ago, 3 top scottish flyers, e hodgson, always treated for 10 days with baytril, never done his birds no harm ;D ;D

 

[walterbmasson]

remember walter one of the great scottish fanciers lost all his great moneymakers with sammonella never realy recovered from that ( Bobby  Curthers )it can happen to anybody and i think anyone would jump at anything to save a life times breeding

frank theres such a thing as survey theres not a day i go into my loft i give a visual it doesent take a couple of minutes to have a look a bird will tell you if not right if a wing is hanging down first thing isolate droppings from that bird test if anything i would put every bird into nest boxes test them all frank in my loft no perches all woden floor grills foot deep no food is left over night mouse traps set at all times in caSE A STRAY MOUSE COMES IN [ ONLY ONCE HAVE HAD ANY BOTHER IT CAME OUT OF ANOTHER LOFT IN IRELAND ]

[Guest bigbok]

Bigbok - the stuff i have is 10% from a well known supplier in Sunderland dont want to name drop on this for obvious reasons, he reckons 1ml to 1 ltr for 5 - 7 days? but i keep reading on this site for 10 days

yer i know the source %10 is very very strong way to strong to be useing for a preventative course i would dilute that down further  

 

[holmsidelofts]

frank theres such a thing as survey theres not a day i go into my loft i give a visual it doesent take a couple of minutes to have a look a bird will tell you if not right if a wing is hanging down first thing isolate droppings from that bird test if anything i would put every bird into nest boxes test them all frank in my loft no perches all woden floor grills foot deep no food is left over night mouse traps set at all times in caSE A STRAY MOUSE COMES IN [ ONLY ONCE HAVE HAD ANY BOTHER IT CAME OUT OF ANOTHER LOFT IN IRELAND ]

 

there is a flaw in your so called survey when it comes to salmonella, if you see dropped wings, swollen joints, it not that one bird that has it most of the loft will. There is no way to detect salmonella in a loft other than getting the droppings tested by a lab, they require samples from 4 different days, cultures are taken from the samples and are grown  in an oven. that is the only way to test for it. taking a bird out that shows signs of possible salmonella does nothing for the rest of the birds. i can assure you that salmonella is a killer, and if it gets in your loft which im pretty sure it didnt its fatality rate is high.

Im not trying to have a go at you walter but Facts are Facts.

I really hope you dont get it mate really i dont it will wipe you out.

 

In fact i personally think over the next 5 years salmonella will be the biggest killer of pigeons we have. every year there are more and more confirmed cases of this. and this comes from some top pigeon vets i know.

 

[Tipplerman]

Thanks bigbok - would be interested if anyone else has used 10% will get intouch with the supplier to double check, as i say it says 5 - 7 days on the bottle maybe this compensates for using it over 10 days?

[walterbmasson]

HOLMSIDELOFTS YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR BIRDS IF YOU WANT TO TREAT BIRDS  THATS ENTERLY UP TO YOU BUT IVE BOXES OF SEC TICKETS ONE SNFC  NATIONAL LOTS OPEN TICKETS IN 1ST HUNDRED I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH 500MILERS OVER THE YEARS SENT ALL MY BIRDS IN LOFT20  TO HASTINGS ROUGHLY 500MLS TIMING 15 ON THE DAY WINNING 1ST 4TH 5TH 9TH FED 6 TO YEPRES 511 MLS 1STCLUB 8TH SEC OUT OF 26 I LOST ONE PUT ONE TO ALENCON GOT HER 4TH MORNING  2 TO  FALAISE  GOT ONE ALL BIRDS IN LOFT 500 TO 600MILES AND YOU SAY I SHOULDENT BE ALLOWED TO KEEP BIRDS NO PAL ITS YOU FOR TELLING NEW STARTS TO PUMP CRAP INTO THEM CHEERS

[Guest stb-]

HOLMSIDELOFTS YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR BIRDS IF YOU WANT TO TREAT BIRDS  THATS ENTERLY UP TO YOU BUT IVE BOXES OF SEC TICKETS ONE SNFC  NATIONAL LOTS OPEN TICKETS IN 1ST HUNDRED I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH 500MILERS OVER THE YEARS SENT ALL MY BIRDS IN LOFT20  TO HASTINGS ROUGHLY 500MLS TIMING 15 ON THE DAY WINNING 1ST 4TH 5TH 9TH FED 6 TO YEPRES 511 MLS 1STCLUB 8TH SEC OUT OF 26 I LOST ONE PUT ONE TO ALENCON GOT HER 4TH MORNING  2 TO  FALAISE  GOT ONE ALL BIRDS IN LOFT 500 TO 600MILES AND YOU SAY I SHOULDENT BE ALLOWED TO KEEP BIRDS NO PAL ITS YOU FOR TELLING NEW STARTS TO PUMP CRAP INTO THEM CHEERS

 

The truth from the north section  well said Walter ;) :)

[Guest frank dooman]

 

there is a flaw in your so called survey when it comes to salmonella, if you see dropped wings, swollen joints, it not that one bird that has it most of the loft will. There is no way to detect salmonella in a loft other than getting the droppings tested by a lab, they require samples from 4 different days, cultures are taken from the samples and are grown  in an oven. that is the only way to test for it. taking a bird out that shows signs of possible salmonella does nothing for the rest of the birds. i can assure you that salmonella is a killer, and if it gets in your loft which im pretty sure it didnt its fatality rate is high.

Im not trying to have a go at you walter but Facts are Facts.

I really hope you dont get it mate really i dont it will wipe you out.

 

In fact i personally think over the next 5 years salmonella will be the biggest killer of pigeons we have. every year there are more and more confirmed cases of this. and this comes from some top pigeon vets i know.

 

am i right in saying salmonella is parathphod holm?

[holmsidelofts]

HOLMSIDELOFTS YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR BIRDS IF YOU WANT TO TREAT BIRDS  THATS ENTERLY UP TO YOU BUT IVE BOXES OF SEC TICKETS ONE SNFC  NATIONAL LOTS OPEN TICKETS IN 1ST HUNDRED I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH 500MILERS OVER THE YEARS SENT ALL MY BIRDS IN LOFT20  TO HASTINGS ROUGHLY 500MLS TIMING 15 ON THE DAY WINNING 1ST 4TH 5TH 9TH FED 6 TO YEPRES 511 MLS 1STCLUB 8TH SEC OUT OF 26 I LOST ONE PUT ONE TO ALENCON GOT HER 4TH MORNING  2 TO  FALAISE  GOT ONE ALL BIRDS IN LOFT 500 TO 600MILES AND YOU SAY I SHOULDENT BE ALLOWED TO KEEP BIRDS NO PAL ITS YOU FOR TELLING NEW STARTS TO PUMP CRAP INTO THEM CHEERS

 

Careful what you say walter, at no time have i said to anyone about pumping birds with crap. in fact i have said many times that i dont condone the use of antibiotics and i would never unless they were required. results dont mean a thing, you now nothing on the subject of pigeon health and thats a fact. SHOUTING gets you nowhere either, and another thing i aint your PAL as you put it. just remember that.

[Tipplerman]

i would like just to say this is the first time i will be using Baytril and hopefully the last as i dont prevantative as a rule, just had a bad breeding season with eggs failing to hatch and youngsters hatching dying in the nest after about 5 days or so, been informed that it is deffo parathyoid by the well informed, and advised to do all the birds

[hotrod]

i have read this thread with interest ,as i have used baytril years ago when i had a problem in the loft , If anyone had a cock or hen that has bred numerous winners  be it club/ fed /combine /national  and  it got sick and the only treatment/cure was baytril then im sorry but anyone that says just kill it  rather than treat it  are liars .  

[Guest stb-]

 

Careful what you say walter, at no time have i said to anyone about pumping birds with crap. in fact i have said many times that i dont condone the use of antibiotics and i would never unless they were required. results dont mean a thing, you now nothing on the subject of pigeon health and thats a fact. SHOUTING gets you nowhere either, and another thing i aint your PAL as you put it. just remember that.

 

sorry m8 with results like he has there i would say he has pigeon health well under control.

 

and to say results dont mean a thing , well i would say unhealthy birds wont have them results .    OMO      .    your doning well walter considering you dont no how to keep them healthy..

[Guest stb-]

i have read this thread with interest ,as i have used baytril years ago when i had a problem in the loft , If anyone had a cock or hen that has bred numerous winners  be it club/ fed /combine /national  and  it got sick and the only treatment/cure was baytril then im sorry but anyone that says just kill it  rather than treat it  are liars .  

 

Sorry to disagree with you there stuart but if any of mine get to the sick state dont matter what they are i dont want them.  Regardless of what they are   :)

 

 

[walterbmasson]

 

The truth from the north section  well said Walter ;) :)

 

STB I DONT BELIEVE THAT A BIRD SHOULD BE USED AS A PIN CUSSION  I CANT BELIEVE WHAT IAM LOOKING AT ON THESE POSTS THERE DOOS WILL BE COMING OOT THE CRATES TAKING SIDE JUMPS

[hotrod]

 

Sorry to disagree with you there stuart but if any of mine get to the sick state dont matter what they are i dont want them.  Regardless of what they are   :)

 

 

absolute crap rab and you know it .