Baytril

[Guest speckled]

thats why thay say quality not quantity Me  :X :X :X try it  ya might save yourself on honest healthy birds Speck

[Jack Barkel]

Baytril is " DNA SENSATIVE " give this muck to your pigeons and they will become infertile before their time.

 

It is banned in some countries that know better.

 

Jack Barkel

[Guest]

Linda (former member, Hyacinth) said something similar, that using Baytril caused infertility in some of her birds.

 

Reckon another reason for vets prescription only, otherwise leave it alone.

[me]

tell me if i am wrong but i thought that baytril was for pigs not birds

i know it is a broad spectrum antibiotic but pigs are not the same as birds

does this mean that us humans can take a swig of it if when we have a bacterial problem surley not

 

You are wrong!

 

 

[me]

to many products do this and that the doos know what they want and will go and get it thats what keeps them fit fresh water only

 

 

If this sort of nonsense was applied to humans weans and old folks would be dying all over the shop

 

[frank-123]

i see where your coming from me as a last resort give baytril

dont see much wrong with that

even the doctors are stopping the antibiotics until the last resort

my wee girl has tonslitis the doc wont give her anything she has to fight it herself he says if she does not get any better in three days he will give her an antibiotic

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

THE FOLK WHO USE BAYTRIL ALL THE TIME WILL ONE DAY OR THERE BIRDS WILL NEED SOMTHING AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE ABUSED THERE BIRDS WITH BAYTRIL NOTHING WILL WORK. ANTIBIOTICS ARE GREAT THINGS USED AT THE PROPER TIME.

 

well said the edinburgh vet, ;D have to agree with sammy now that it is no use trying to prop up weak young birds , they should be removed at the first signs of severe illness instead of wasting time and money , because most times if they pull through they will be the first ones to go down in a hard race

[Guest shadow]

must agree with Tammy on this one

[me]

must agree with Tammy on this one

 

Took you along time to make up your mind before you agreed with him. Were you thinking about it carefully or have you just woken from a 9 month sabbatical?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jimmy white]

 

well said the edinburgh vet, ;D have to agree with sammy now that it is no use trying to prop up weak young birds , they should be removed at the first signs of severe illness instead of wasting time and money , because most times if they pull through they will be the first ones to go down in a hard race

 

took me longer ;D ;D   i was told  by an avian vet , that through years of misuse of antibiotics that new variations of desease are forming in pigeons beating some antibiotics ,i,e yb sickness etc ,, same as misuse of antibiotics in humans after decades , has produced this mrsa infection that can beat most  antibiotics,, i must admit allthough i dont like using antibiotics , but if i was told by a vet that it may save an old fav. well , i think i would try it ,as a last resort ,, but its the old story ,,,kick against nature and it,ll kick back

[lofty]

Using Antibiotics correctly or incorectly does not damage the immune system as such

in fact timely treatment will support the immune system (for example antiretroviral treatment of HIV +ve people)

All living things have many different types of bacteria in them, some cause disease most do not.

If you administer antibiotics to treat a specific disease causing Bacteria then you will also expose every other bacterium present to the said antibiotic.

Every time any bacteria is exposed it increases the chance of an immune specimen to appear, this specimen will then divide unhindered. If it is a disease causing bacterium then we are in trouble.

But, to complicate things A 'friendly' bacteria can develope this immunity and some are then able to give this 'information' to unrelated bacteria  who do cause disease (this is known as plasmid transmissable resistance)

This is the Race for life of Evolution -moulds and fungi produced antibiotics to protect a food supply from attack by bacteria so they could eat it themselves!

I believe drugs do have important use but must never be used indiscriminately, always at the correct dose and always for the right length of time.

Baytrill for instance, is about the only drug shown to eliminate the carrier state of salmonella in pigeons and for this reason I believe it should be reserved only to treat this condition.

and not such things as respiratory disease for which there are many other effective drugs.

 

From what I can make out fancy pigeons do not seem any more prone to infectious disease

than do racing birds? Of course fancy pigeons could not hope of competing in races, they are not bred for that purpose and don't get enforced exercise so are not as physically fit, and one assumes have less homing instinct.

But as for immunity to disease that is a different matter.

Stress, Toxins, inadequate diet, and inadequate living conditions are what damage the immune system.

Lofty  

 

[ribble]

I have been talking to a bloke recently, who was telling me how a guy he knows gives injectable baytril mixed with vitamins on the morning of basketing day.

Apparently his birds look distressed when in the basket but come the race he is nearly always at the front.

Madness eh!

[Brian Smith]

The main reason most of the fanciers who use this sort of stuff is solely to try to get an advantage, this doesn't bother them that it could be at the expense of their birds future health. This is not new they have been doing it for years with the older antibiotics like terramycin and tylan and they will move on to the next generation of drug, simply because they must win at all cost; sportsmen I think not; pigeon men NO stock men definitely not.

[pjc]

when buying birds always ask vendor if they use regular antibiotics, if they do then walk away!

[jakjak]

If you need baytril to 'prop' your pigeons up......its time to start again.

My long distance winners are only wormed at start of season, thats it.

Some fanciers are chemists cos they have so many antibiotics.

use probiotics!! far easier.

Ask yourself this......Is your best pigeon ever ill???

[ribble]

stock men definitely not.

 

I think that says it all really, that's why so many of them are always moving on to new strains because the birds they have end up goosed and sold on to the unsuspecting genuine flyer's.

I could never imagine getting rid of all my birds to bring a total new team in, yes adding the occasional bird to the race team and stocking it after a successful racing campaign is more my idea of building your own stock.

 

 

[gangster]

my humble opinion is all strong medicines should be through the vet only....agree wioth some views mainly if you need to keep pumping your birds full of these medicines then somewere along the line your birds are going to go on the spiral downwards......most top guys only use under advise in fact most never use at all and thats why they are on top year in /out...

[pjc]

keep away from medication and used tried and tested methods, basket and black bag!

As long as the loft management is right you don't get sick birds!

[Guest shadow]

Here ,here

[Mark Bulled]

I have heard before that parastop is in fact powdered baytril.

 

Never using either product I would be interested to hear replies?

 

If it isnt baytril does anyone know what ingredients are in parastop?

[johnny11]

Hi Mark

 

Not Too sure what is in Parastop try asking on PIPA.be as the belgians use it alot.

 

Was just wondering how many use Baytril on Vets advice or just use it because it helped so and so when his birds were ill. Is the correct dose used?..... Antibiotic resistance here we come

 

 

John

[Guest IB]

I have heard before that parastop is in fact powdered baytril.

 

Never using either product I would be interested to hear replies?

 

If it isnt baytril does anyone know what ingredients are in parastop?

 

First part first. Whatever the active ingredient is in Parastop it isn't Baytril [enrofloxacin].  This is copied from another post of mine:-

 

Bayer, the firm who produce Baytril, are quite clear on responsible behaviour where antimicrobials are concerned – their Principles state they are to be used only by professionals and then only in the treatment of actual disease. They are not to be used routinely to prevent infection in healthy animals. And in the case of a repeated flock infection with Salmonella, their requirements are also quite clear – don’t treat with any of their products – cull the flock out. Extracts (document of 20 pages).

 

http://www.animalhealth.bayerhealthcare.com/fileadmin/media/ah/Quinolones.pdf

 

P7

 

Guidelines on prudent use of quinolones

 

Principles

 

Bayer is committed to serving the animal health industry with sate of the art medications, ie products comprising high quality and efficacy standards. At the same time it is Bayers declared policy that product safety and environmental compatibility have the same priority as quality and efficacy. The following principles govern Bayers commitment to the use of quinolones:-

 

Quinolones are highly effective therapeutic drugs for both humans and animals and must be used in a responsible manner.

 

Bayer strictly rejects any use of Quinolones as performance enhancers. Bayer has never sought nor will ever seek approval for such use.

 

Bayers Quinolone products are not to be used routinely to prevent infection in healthy animals (prophylaxis - any procedure whose purpose is to prevent, rather than treat or cure, disease). Bayer actively supports adherence to this principle.

 

 

P8

 

Requirements

 

Quinolones are to be available only on veterinary prescription and should be used under close supervision of a licensed veterinarian. They are to be used for short term therapy only. They should only be used in cases of serious infections and never used for viral or trivial bacterial infections.

 

Wherever possible, administration of quinolones  is, in addition to an accurate clinical diagnosis, to be based on bacterial culture diagnosis and susceptibility testing of the causative pathogen(s) to ensure that quinolones are the appropriate choice. In certain cases it may be necessary to initiate therapy in the best interest of the patient, based on clinical diagnosis and experience of the vet, before results of susceptibility testing are available. To facilitate the performance of susceptibility tests, validated enroflaxin discs and E-test strips specific for enroflaxin are available.

 

If Salmonella typhimurium DT 104 (a serotype prone to develop decreased susceptibility to antimicrobials) has been historically reported in a herd or flock, treatment with a quinolone is not recommended. Instead an eradication program should be initiated. In general, livestock and poultry producers should take steps to intensify Salmonella control measures in order to reduce the persistence or spread of S. typhimurium DT 104.

 

 

[Guest IB]

I have heard before that parastop is in fact powdered baytril.

 

Never using either product I would be interested to hear replies?

 

If it isnt baytril does anyone know what ingredients are in parastop?

 

 

Parastop active ingredient is Norfloxacin a Quinolone class antibiotic.

 

http://www.globalpigeon.com/gps.php?action=showprod&id=4

 

Most of the stuff on the web on Norfloxacin is about use in humans for bacterial urinary tract infections etc. The fact that it is a human antibiotic, there's recorded bacterial  resistance to it, for example, e-coli, and Bayers stance against the use of this class of drug as a preventative in animals, makes me think that the manufacture , distribution and use of parastop as a so-called preventative treatment for salmonella (a disease in humans too) is highly irresponsible. Playing around here with stuff that could have an affect on human health.

 

[ch pied]

I have heard before that parastop is in fact powdered baytril.

 

Never using either product I would be interested to hear replies?

 

If it isnt baytril does anyone know what ingredients are in parastop?

parastop contain's , FURALTADONE & VIT'S ,  FURAL was removed from the UK registrar of pharmacutials , as was found to be carcinogenic with longterm exposure

 

 

[Noby]

Hi pete

           I m very lucky in the fact that I live 100yds from a pigeon specialist vet. He introduced me to baytril 2 / 3 years ago when i had a bad case of young bird within 4 days of starting treament. He also recomended that for 5 / 6 days after treatment give the birds gemthepax and vitamins.

   I hope this has been helpful

 

 

 

All the best Noby