Baytril

[pigeonscout]

Vic can I sak if you ever had birds in super condition before you started giving baytril? if so why do you think it is the baytrill that makes the super condition now?

Baytril is for use on sick birds it wont stop them from getting sick.

[Guest Vic]

Pigeon Scout, I believe that pigeons can look quite well, but can still have something within them, waiting for a kick start. I may be wrong, but this is what I believe in.  Further more, in an outbreak, a

vet usually prescribes enough baytril for flock treatment, so where does one go from there? Vic.

[pigeonscout]

Vic you say a vet usually prescribes enough baytril for flock treatment, so where does one go from there?

Probably because most of the birds will have come into contact with it.

Vic im not against the use of baytril im against the way it is being use.

You also say you believe that pigeons can look quite well, but can still have something within them. Yes, I agree with that but if you think along those lines then you would have baytril in the water 7 days a week 52 weeks a year. The other way to look at it Vic is if you give Baytril and they don't have a sickness then you are hurting the birds immune system for nothing. People forget that a bird has it own immune system to tackle sickness and cure itself. It is only in severe cases the use of antibiotics like baytril should be used. What would you think of your doctor if he prescribe you antibiotics if you where showing no signs of illness?

[pigeonscout]

Here is something I found online and it is saying what I said earlier about feather quality and baytril

Medication

Many of the common drugs used during this time, including, as mentioned earlier, some of the wormers, affect feather quality. Antibiotics (particularly Baytril and Sulpha AVS, and to a lesser extent doxycycline, Resfite and Doxy-T) if used during this time not only interfere with the development of natural immunity by interrupting the on-going exposure to organisms but also compromise feather quality and so their use is best avoided. They compromise feather quality by killing many of the beneficial bacteria in the bowel. These are necessary for digestion and the assimilation of nutrients. Their disruption by antibiotics interrupts the on-going delivery of nutrients to the growing feather within the feather follicle. Turbosole and other anticanker drugs do not disrupt the bowel bacteria and so can be safely used.

[tubbles]

I know of people that use Baytril as preventative medicine. When they have sent droppings away to be tested they always come back with a touch of this or that and the vet ALWAYS prescribed Baytril. I was told that Baytril is a last ditch effort though so be careful and it is said to take the lining of good bacteria as well as the harmful stuff. After all bacteria is bacteria to a drug, good or bad. i believe you have to give all sorts of vitamin treatments afterwards.

 

BE CAREFUL!!!

[Guest]

thought you could only get baytril on prescription? :-/

 

 

Just to back up the only (other) post to point this out. Baytril is a prescription only drug in the UK. If you are using it within the Uk without a vet's prescription, you are doing so without a proper veterinary diagnosis, and using it in this manner is both improper and illegal. You are also probably breeding your own family of antibiotic-resistant superbugs.

[pigeonscout]

i use it once a year but will be looking for something different when i next use it.I used to use it for 10days before i vaccinated for paratyphoid

 

I like you used to it for same reason until I found out it is bad for the feather.

[gangster]

IM AGAINST USING ALOT OF THE PRODUCTS BAYTRIL IS A PRIME EXAMPLE...WE ARE CREATING OUR OWN PROBLEMS HERE AS PREVIOUSLY STATED PROPPING UP THE BIRDS....WE USE 2 MANY ANTIBIOTICS AND WRONG DOSAGES ITS KILLING THE NATURAL IMMUINE SYSTEM  WIYJIN THE BIRDS AND THEREFORE LEAVING THEM WIDE OPEN FOR ALLSORTS OF NASTY THINGS THEY CANNOT FIGHT........THINK TWICE AS ITS YOUR FUTURE IN YOUR OWN HANDS..............PERSCRIPTION ONLY I SAY.............

[pigeon bird]

sammy if u say that then y shouldnt parastop

 

is parastop an antibiotic and what damage can it do? as you said it should be banned

[young man]

you dont have to ban any antibiotic the biggest prob are the fanciers  as they abuse them and dnt now what they should be used for.

[Guest]

well now that we are thinking in these terms about antibiotic abuse ,what is natures antibiotic is garlic not one of them and are some fanciers not over doing it a bit with the old garlic are they not

[Guest]

well now that we are thinking in these terms about antibiotic abuse ,what is natures antibiotic is garlic not one of them and are some fanciers not over doing it a bit with the old garlic are they not

 

A natural antibiotic works in a totally different way, Sammy. This extract is particularly useful because it tells us how much illicin there is in a garlic bulb, and how little ... less than one clove ... needs to be used to combat two human superbugs:

 

Garlic: A natural antibiotic  

 

As powerful antibiotics lose their punch against “superbugs” such as vancomycin-resistant enterococci (VRE) and methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), scientists are searching for new antimicrobial agents from natural sources. Allicin, the major component of garlic, is one such agent, and it was recently shown to be potent against VRE and MRSA in two studies presented at the 41st Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy in Chicago in December.

 

A study conducted by Jaya Prakash and colleagues at the National University of Health Sciences in Lombard, IL, found that allicin has potent activity against VRE in vitro. “The basic problem with VRE is that it colonizes the gut,” says Prakash. “Many antibiotics used to control or prevent colonization also affect the normal flora.” The ideal solution, she explains, would be to prevent colonization with a food substance, given the safety of such compounds over antibiotics. Furthermore, she adds, the chance of organisms developing resistance is low. “Even with small amounts of these agents, they don’t become resistant.”

 

In their studies, the scientists obtained allicin from garlic tablets and determined its concentration. In vitro testing showed that microgram quantities were sufficient to significantly inhibit the growth of VRE. In contrast, 4000 µg of allicin corresponds to the amount found in one clove of garlic. Up to 25 g of garlic a day can be consumed without posing a risk of toxic side effects.

 

Prakash cautions that it is too early to say how much allicin intake will reap intestinal rewards against VRE. “In vitro [activity] does not correlate to in vivo activity,” she cautions. And the bad news is that allicin is destroyed when garlic is cooked in oil.

 

In the next stage of their work, they will study the effects of allicin on the gut microflora of animals to determine the concentration of allicin required to be efficacious in vivo.

 

In another study, Ron Cutler, from the University of East London (U.K.) and colleagues found that allicin liquid and cream formulations were highly potent against clinical isolates of MRSA, including those resistant to mupirocin—the agent commonly used to eradicate MRSA carriage among hospital staff and patients. Topical allicin formulations could be used as a safe, natural alternative to mupirocin for eliminating the carriage of MRSA and other microbes from the nose, skin, wounds, and dressings, he reports, and they could also be used in soaps and antibacterial agents.

 

 

 

[jimmy white]

yes i agree , its all the" mycins" that are man made ,garlic comes under a differant agent alltogether as i said b4 , its one of the oldest remedies for many things ,  even the egyptians used this ,,,,how do i know this,,,,,my mummie told me ;D ;D  ;D    [garlics great  ,,look it up , wonderfull stuff]

[Guest]

yes jimmy the egyptians used it on their horses ,it was for wind as once they passed it it was a horrible smell and kept them from being pestered with flies ,now i know why tammy is a loner  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D

[ALF]

yes jimmy the egyptians used it on their horses ,it was for wind as once they passed it it was a horrible smell and kept them from being pestered with flies ,now i know why tammy is a loner  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D

 

Yer a bad man sam :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

[doos r us]

i give them the basket

[doos r us]

to many products do this and that the doos know what they want and will go and get it thats what keeps them fit fresh water only

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

tell me if i am wrong but i thought that baytril was for pigs not birds

i know it is a broad spectrum antibiotic but pigs are not the same as birds

does this mean that us humans can take a swig of it if when we have a bacterial problem surley not

[Guest]

tell me if i am wrong but i thought that baytril was for pigs not birds

i know it is a broad spectrum antibiotic but pigs are not the same as birds

does this mean that us humans can take a swig of it if when we have a bacterial problem surley not

 

 

Baytril is for veterinary use in companion animal (dogs, cats, exotic animals) and

livestock (poultry, cattle, sheep, pigs).

 

A broad spectrum antibiotic means that it is effective against a wide variety of bacteria, rather than for use in a wide variety of animals.  

 

Think any antibiotic for use in humans probably goes thro far more rigorous testing especially for side effects, and is probably used in different dosages.

 

 

[Brian Smith]

Baytril is a POM already so to get it from any other source than a vet is illegal in this country so to use it without a vets instruction is in my mind very silly and that's probably why some peoples birds are always suffering from something

[me]

baytril is the best thing since slice bread as far treating serious  systemic diseases of pigeons are concerned if your not interested in treating this sort of disease then of course if  you are not particularly concerned about the health of your birds you could try cider vinegar or natural yoguhart but if they are ill, really ill, they will die.

[Guest speckled]

just alittle confussed there ME if thay are realy ill thay would not be in the loft in ther first place, ????/so before i treat with baytril thay need to be on death door mate .lol all pigeons can do with a pick me up, but when need  not as a last min  result .just my thoughts mate Speck :-/

[seagull]

100 % agree speck why would any 1 want 2 use it in the 1st place is beyond me

[me]

probably depends on the quality of the birds in your loft in the first place but if you had a bird that had scored a few times "over the water" and it needed baytril only a dafty would not give it baytril even if it could only be used for breeding for the rest of its life it would be worth the bother.

[ALF]

Never used the stuff but i've been told it can work wonders way them ;)