big blue bar Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 just got bad news today y/birds caught pmv think it came from birds brought in from stud in england bought 6 and 3 came down with virus even thou they say there vaccinated anybody else had problems from this stud there based in leister
Guest strapper Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 just got bad news today y/birds caught pmv think it came from birds brought in from stud in england bought 6 and 3 came down with virus even thou they say there vaccinated anybody else had problems from this stud there based in leister do you mean loughborough?
nogin Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 just got bad news today y/birds caught pmv think it came from birds brought in from stud in england bought 6 and 3 came down with virus even thou they say there vaccinated anybody else had problems from this stud there based in leister SORRY TO HERE THAT M8 WHERE YOU FROM
Guest strapper Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 theres been many rumours about a certain stud ....who can say their true? :-/
big blue bar Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 SORRY TO HERE THAT M8 WHERE YOU FROM scotland
Guest HighSpeedLofts Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 did you get the birds that died replaced free from that stud
big blue bar Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 big blue bar can say its true defra say it could be hard to prove but if this certain stud are vaccinating why did this birds contract the disease ?
big blue bar Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 did you get the birds that died replaced free from that stud haven t done anything about it yet still reeling was having the best season with old bird and now can t even let them out
big blue bar Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Posted June 17, 2009 how do you know it was pmv defra
maverick Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 how do you know it was pmv I think DEFRA IS A BIG CLUE
Guest HighSpeedLofts Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 you should contact the stud and get your money back i wouldnt trust getting any replacement birds of them
LISTER Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 aye lots trouble here :'( :'( > and all over if truth be told
blackswan Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 nice to see that you got the defra in a lot would just stay quiet best of luck.
Novice Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Do you know if DEFRA tested for circovirus. If this is present before the youngsters are vaccinated for PMV then I believe this stops them building an immunity to PMV
pjc Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 With the cases reported to DEFRA surely they should be investigating the stud and taking test etc or is it another case of money talks?
Guest Owen Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 I am really very sorry to hear that important studs are now unreliable. With the bad publicity they are getting they can't go on much longer. I have also heard that a major Continental Stud has been supplying sick birds. And eye wittnesses are saying that they have seen vermin running about under the pens. I hope we are not seeing the end of an era. I think we all know that pigeon racing is dieing, but I did not think it was going to be run down quite so quickly. It's a sad day for us all.
pjc Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 I am really very sorry to hear that important studs are now unreliable. With the bad publicity they are getting they can't go on much longer. I have also heard that a major Continental Stud has been supplying sick birds. And eye wittnesses are saying that they have seen vermin running about under the pens. I hope we are not seeing the end of an era. I think we all know that pigeon racing is dieing, but I did not think it was going to be run down quite so quickly. It's a sad day for us all. Partly i agree, they have made birds available at affordable prices but do not put anything back into the sport. They have done nothing but profit from fanciers from years and will be cause of there own demise.
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Partly i agree, they have made birds available at affordable prices but do not put anything back into the sport. They have done nothing but profit from fanciers from years and will be cause of there own demise. spot on here Phil, for years it has just been a case of taking as much as possible and giving nowt back,and it would be just desserts if it was their downfall by selling sick birds [if that is the case I might add ] but they are not cheap if they are sick.
Guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 If this is the case, you would have thought they would be trying to preserve the good reputation that they have had for so many years. I'm sure this wouldn't be allowed to happen if dear old Louis was still with us. All I can say is THINGS AIN'T WHAT THEY USED TO BE
pjc Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 If this is the case, you would have thought they would be trying to preserve the good reputation that they have had for so many years. I'm sure this wouldn't be allowed to happen if dear old Louis was still with us. All I can say is THINGS AIN'T WHAT THEY USED TO BE Spot on Bob, Louis did care, the boys just want the money and don't care how they get it!
Guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 defra say it could be hard to prove but if this certain stud are vaccinating why did this birds contract the disease ? The reason that birds contract the disease is because young birds are not vaccinated as a matter of course, but ONLY vaccinated on the day they leave the stud. Hence they may be carrying the virus and are not immune. It takes 4 weeks to obtain protective immunity, the initial vaccination should preferably take place at 6 weeks before being entered in races or exhibitions, and before pairing up. A single vaccination will provide protection for one year and an annual booster vaccination is recommended. A good immune response is reliant on the reaction of an immunogenic agent and a fully competent immune system. Immunogenicity of the vaccine antigen will be reduced by poor storage or inappropriate administration. Immunocompetence of the animal may be compromised by a variety of factors including poor health, nutritional status, genetic factors, concurrent drug therapy and stress. Under certain conditions, for example extreme disease pressure and variant challenge, fully immune birds may succumb to disease. Therefore, successful vaccination may not be synonymous with full protection in the face of a disease challenge. So because birds are vaccinated against PMV it does not necessarily mean that the birds have full immunity.
Guest strapper Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 all my youngsters are already vaccinated say over a month or so a go. if this stud is responsible how come that defra hasnt closed it down for tests ? surely with all the problems fanciers are having with birds from there surely summut should already have happened. i know someone has bought a new stock team from there..spending over £5000 to get birds he wanted..ive bought from there once(some years a go) and fortunate to have some good van reets ..which bred me winners.
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