respiratory disease.

[Guest briancol]

hi ,my birds have or so it seem,Respiratory Disease,they fly for on average just 4 to 5 minutes  and some of them are panting like crazy when they land. i noticed at least two of them sitting on the perch making a gurgling noise,even sounded like hick ups or coughing at times. ive heard doxycycline is the stuff i need but i cant seem to get hold of it without a vets prescription,anyone know where i can get it without one,im in belfast but still the U.K.

[Guest strapper]

hi ,my birds have or so it seem,Respiratory Disease,they fly for on average just 4 to 5 minutes  and some of them are panting like crazy when they land. i noticed at least two of them sitting on the perch making a gurgling noise,even sounded like hick ups or coughing at times. ive heard doxycycline is the stuff i need but i cant seem to get hold of it without a vets prescription,anyone know where i can get it without one,im in belfast but still the U.K.

 

 

dont confuse this with severe case of canker if gurgling!!!!

they will stop flying when the canker has reached a certain degree of infection,the gurgling can mean that the canker has reached the upper resp tract area.

check to see if any cheese(white) like bits are sticking inside the beak or throat.

 

 

if resp infection found to be the cause then doxy-t is a very good medication for this.

 

i would advise for the birds to be checked out by a vet 1st then its up to you what further steps you take to get treatment.

 

 

[Guest briancol]

yes i think your right about a vet though the last vet i took a bird to didnt know the first thing about pigeons.

that bird gurgling had untill just recently what i thought was one eye cold, i gave it oldhand one eye cold tabs but they had no effect,when i mentioned it in a pigeon forum people said it sounded like resp diesease. would having droppings tested help.

[Guest strapper]

yes i think your right about a vet though the last vet i took a bird to didnt know the first thing about pigeons.

that bird gurgling had untill just recently what i thought was one eye cold, i gave it oldhand one eye cold tabs but they had no effect,when i mentioned it in a pigeon forum people said it sounded like resp diesease. would having droppings tested help.

 

one eye cold is a familiar sign of resp but can be just a one eye cold...or a poke from a stray beak.

droppings need testing by a pigeon vet not some farm orientated vet.

has the eye got real bad and closing??

with a lot iof skin showing around the eye??

i could give you a treament idea but it would be guessing ,,,no doubt i would advise you to get pro advice and take matters from there,i know what treatment it needs if it is verified to be what ever.

 

                                                   GET THEM TESTED

 

wait around and it will get more advanced.

[Guest briancol]

thanks for ur advise strapper.

the eye of that bird after a week of oldhand tabs was still red and sore looking,the bottom eyelid has dropped down and the eye is red. i gave them duocycline in the water for a week at 1ml per litre of water and the eye seems to have cleared up but it the same bird thats doing the gurggling noises,another one is gurggling as well but not just as bad.

[Guest strapper]

thanks for ur advise strapper.

the eye of that bird after a week of oldhand tabs was still red and sore looking,the bottom eyelid has dropped down and the eye is red. i gave them duocycline in the water for a week at 1ml per litre of water and the eye seems to have cleared up but it the same bird thats doing the gurggling noises,another one is gurggling as well but not just as bad.

 

the last time i had one gurgling i found it out to be canker,treated for it and it stopped...but there are so many different symptoms.

[newbold]

sent you pm mate

[Guest IB]

Don't think its a droppings test, its a throat swab test you need, send that off to identify what lies behind the respiratory illness (if there is one)  and same swab test will also show up canker. But I'd be visiting an avian vet with the worst affected birds. Just the two is it?

[Guest Owen]

You could have repiratory disease but I think it is more likely to be cocci or canker or both. You definately need to have your birds checked.

If you plan on racing these birds you need to act fast.

While your about it, check on the ventilation of your loft. The birds need enough air to be safe from respitatory.

[Guest briancol]

hi everyone,thanks for your advice & your input,. a few months ago i did have two birds with canker but one died and the other i put it out of its misery,treated the others and it cleared up,had not more bother with it. then a few weeks ago this bird developed what i thought was one eye cold, like i said earlier i treated it with old hand one eye cold tabs twice a day for a full week but that didnt help, another bird showed signs of it a week later but wasnt just as badly infected,. then i got hold of DUOCYCLINE to treat them for respitory disease this seemed to have cleared up the eye problem,well it disappeared during this treatment but the respiratory still persisted,now a few of the birds r making gurgling noises,reminds me of someone who has had a chest infection,like a smoker. this DUOCYCLINE  is supposed to bbe the same as doxycycline,i gave them 1ml to 1litre of water,i was advised by a vet not to give them more than that although the person i got the DUOCYCLIBNE from (online) recommended i give them 3ml's a litre.

im out of work so cant afford to be using vets, i tried that with the canker but the vet was useless. im now from this morning(sunday) using the DUOCYCLINE again but increasing the dosage, it'll either kill or cure them, im at the point where i just dont care anymore. thanks.

[walterbmasson]

you dont see street birds with problems like the racing pigeon why because your giving them this and that whenever some one mentions a cure for any goddam thing what happens every boady is trying it certainly treat for worms canker cocci then give them the street birds treatment fresh air believe me it works you will get no change out of vets only putting weaklings back into your loft in no time at all youve a bunch of junkies that needs help all the time and a hard hit pocket

[holmsidelofts]

Any decent product that works generally has to come from a vet, stay away from products like the old hand treatments they are a waste of time and money. Get them seen by a professional who will give you the right treatment first time and will cure the issue without adding more stress to the bird. If it is respiratory problems you must also look at how they got it, ask yourself how many birds do i have in the section, too many birds and poor ventilation will ruin your birds. I know that getting the birds seen by a vet can seem expensive but in the long run it isnt. We spend hundreds or even thousands of pounds on birds, food, training, racing etc every year so why throw all that away when it can be cured very quickly with the right treatment, left to long only makes the birds worse. Good luck with the treatment.

 

[Guest IB]

Don't know Duocycline, name sounds like a combo of 2 x 'cyclines', or a 'cycline' in combo with some other substance. As you say you got it on-line, I did a web search and only duocycline which I turned up was an injectible cattle product, so it is designed to be injected into muscle, not added to drinking water. The active ingredient is oxytetracycline which according to Wim Peter's book Fit to Win 2, p339, is of limited value because there is a lot of resistance to it built up in the organisms its supposed to kill.

 

I was unemployed for 8 years and know the money pressures it causes. I note what you say about the cost of a vet, but at the end of the day it works out cheaper: you know what you've got, you get the right treatment for it, and 'free' advice on how to prevent it happening again. Just make sure you choose a good avian vet.

[frank-123]

Don't know Duocycline, name sounds like a combo of 2 x 'cyclines', or a 'cycline' in combo with some other substance. As you say you got it on-line, I did a web search and only duocycline which I turned up was an injectible cattle product, so it is designed to be injected into muscle, not added to drinking water. The active ingredient is oxytetracycline which according to Wim Peter's book Fit to Win 2, p339, is of limited value because there is a lot of resistance to it built up in the organisms its supposed to kill.

 

I was unemployed for 8 years and know the money pressures it causes. I note what you say about the cost of a vet, but at the end of the day it works out cheaper: you know what you've got, you get the right treatment for it, and 'free' advice on how to prevent it happening again. Just make sure you choose a good avian vet.

 

what vet do you use ib?

[newburgh lofts]

I agree 100% with walter masson open up your loft and let fresh air in. my loft is open grid floors and open front never any health problems. keep things as close to nature as possible much better for you and your birds.

[Guest briancol]

hi again all.

                 well to tell the truth i have 18 birds in a 8ft x 6ft section. but i just bought these birds over the past few months from L*****A  Lofts in england,i got the first batch in the middle of April and the last batch in May.but ive had nothing but trouble with them from around the 2nd week, these are the first birds i have, i had no other pigeons before i got these so i can only presume they brought disease with them.  my loft has air vents @ a  4ft lenght along the front and i have the plastic grill type vents on either side. so that vents on three different sides of the loft,. the vents at the back is just the space between the back wall and the roof.about 2"& 1/2ins high along the full length of the loft.also on decent weather days i open the door at the front of the loft all day or as long as the birds want to sit there and sunbathe. if its windy/breezy or wet i dont open it.

[schouwman71]

hi briancol

 

you need to treatthem with linco spectin bud,mine were exactly the same 3 weeks ago,mine came down with it just has i took them off darkness,ive increased the oxygen into the loft and now there in excelent condition,mine were gurgling and couthing just has your stating and it sure is respitory that you have,once treated and given time will start to fly well again,its the first year i have tried darkness and i dont like it one bit,but its nice to see how they look after there taken off.good luck with them.

 

les

[Guest briancol]

HI LES.

 

           THANKS FOR YOUR ADVISE M8. I WILL CERTINLY LOOK UP LINCO SPECTIN ON THE WEB. THANKS AGAIN.

[slinky slitheroe]

hi ,my birds have or so it seem,Respiratory Disease,they fly for on average just 4 to 5 minutes  and some of them are panting like crazy when they land. i noticed at least two of them sitting on the perch making a gurgling noise,even sounded like hick ups or coughing at times. ive heard doxycycline is the stuff i need but i cant seem to get hold of it without a vets prescription,anyone know where i can get it without one,im in belfast but still the U.K.

The panting can be caused by being over weight or also too hot .the respiratory problem u say u have is it worth treating them ?.The old fashion method would be in the bin with them.

 

 

[white logan]

hi ,my birds have or so it seem,Respiratory Disease,they fly for on average just 4 to 5 minutes  and some of them are panting like crazy when they land. i noticed at least two of them sitting on the perch making a gurgling noise,even sounded like hick ups or coughing at times. ive heard doxycycline is the stuff i need but i cant seem to get hold of it without a vets prescription,anyone know where i can get it without one,im in belfast but still the U.K.

 

 

 

bin em ,

 

 

 

 

 

or you could act like a responcible owner and get an avian vets diagnosis , i suppose there will be more "old wives tales" to be repeated , on-line how long is this piece of string , dont know but will guess a diagnosis brigade" trooping out" their current favourite antibiotic ,.....get real and see a vet  

[Guest stb]

 

 

 

bin em ,

 

 

 

 

 

or you could act like a responcible owner and get an avian vets diagnosis , i suppose there will be more "old wives tales" to be repeated , on-line how long is this piece of string , dont know but will guess a diagnosis brigade" trooping out" their current favourite antibiotic ,.....get real and see a vet  

well said my man.

 

 

[hotrod]

if it was me that had your problem the first thing i would ask myself . HOW  have the birds got this ? HAVE you too many birds in your loft? IS your loft well ventilated ? ARE they mixing with other birds that may have problems ?  Sort this before you treat them or it wont make a bit of difference as once they are cured it WILL COME BACK .

[white logan]

if it was me that had your problem the first thing i would ask myself . HOW  have the birds got this ? HAVE you too many birds in your loft? IS your loft well ventilated ? ARE they mixing with other birds that may have problems ?  Sort this before you treat them or it wont make a bit of difference as once they are cured it WILL COME BACK .

 

 

how very true , here we have a gentleman that looks at the " root cause" of problems ,

[Guest strapper]

you dont see street birds with problems like the racing pigeon why because your giving them this and that whenever some one mentions a cure for any goddam thing what happens every boady is trying it certainly treat for worms canker cocci then give them the street birds treatment fresh air believe me it works you will get no change out of vets only putting weaklings back into your loft in no time at all youve a bunch of junkies that needs help all the time and a hard hit pocket

 

i think your find that the greenfinch population has been found with canker in recent years...they get fresh air and aint locked in a loft!

 

 

[Guest IB]

 

what vet do you use ib?

 

Lucky to have Andrew Lawrie here in Falkirk.