Liquid brewers yeast

[Ian Gill]

 

rubbish, brewers yeast is good but it is no way the best source known to man, where did you get that crap from Ian?   and c'mon, dont beat up on oldyellow like that, he is only trying to help and hes not misleading anyone with his knowledge or findings so give him a break why dont you.   :-/

 

I asked him to explain himself mate ..I wouldnt exactly called that beating up on old yellow unles you have led a very sheltered life lol

 

Take a bit of time today and research brewers yeast yourself and I think you will be surpised at the results...websites are like products ,some of them are better than others with their info

 

[pigeonboyuk]

I dont need to take time to study brewers yeast m8, know pretty much all there is to know about its properties.   dont lead a sheltered life either which is why i said your answer was rubbish which it is, or if it isnt then explain to us where you can support your claim of BY being the best thing ever available.   why is it people with other pigeon sites feel the need to come to this one to advertise their sites, shouldnt you be concentrating on yours?  

 

as said in p.m nothing personal m8 but it does look as if too many people have a pop at oldyellow when all hes doing is trying to help with advice. agree with websites being better than others which is why i chose this over yours.

[Ian Gill]

First of Pigeonboyuk I dont need to come here to advertise my site as its been going a lot longer than basics and it has been one of the most viewed pigeon sites for nearly 9 years so get your facts right before making such assumptions or are you like a lot of others that believe this or other forums are the only sites available??

 

Its easy to hide behind your username and snipe at others so why not put your real name on and better still saying as you know so much about the internet and websites why dont you build your own site and let us into the wealth of knowledge you must have with your  pharmacy degree  ??

[retired]

I don't use brewer's yeast, but I have always understood it to be live yeast, the unadulterated stuff that starts the brewing process, rather than something 'additional' from the process itself.

 

I also note that one member's experience was that it caused a yeast overgrowth, but it is more likely that the bird already had a yeast overgrowth and giving brewers yeast only made it worse. Writers have warned that you do not give 'yeast on yeast'.

 

This web address gives the basics:-

 

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-brewers-yeast.htm

 

Hogni's question: White Labs advertise a liquid Brewers Yeast. It is identical to the powder stuff, added to start the process, and doesn't come from it.

 

http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/craft_FAQ.html

 

Scroll down to ‘Why should I use liquid yeast as opposed to dry yeast?’

 

It’s quite an interesting site because it suggests that brewers yeast is used over and over again, and can become contaminated with other yeasts. Again, don’t use the stuff, so it’s new info to me, and the other info also suggests it doesn’t contain B12.

 

Good link mate and will be interesting reading for tonight whilst she is watching come dine with me lol  ;D

 

First of Pigeonboyuk I dont need to come here to advertise my site as its been going a lot longer than basics and it has been one of the most viewed pigeon sites for nearly 9 years so get your facts right before making such assumptions or are you like a lot of others that believe this or other forums are the only sites available??

 

Its easy to hide behind your username and snipe at others so why not put your real name on and better still saying as you know so much about the internet and websites why dont you build your own site and let us into the wealth of knowledge you must have with your  pharmacy degree  ??

 

Ian,

 

You have one of the very best pigeon sites on the internet, as long as you know that and we who are members know it nothing else matters! Keep up the great work.

 

[pigeonboyuk]

First of Pigeonboyuk I dont need to come here to advertise my site as its been going a lot longer than basics and it has been one of the most viewed pigeon sites for nearly 9 years so get your facts right before making such assumptions or are you like a lot of others that believe this or other forums are the only sites available??

 

Its easy to hide behind your username and snipe at others so why not put your real name on and better still saying as you know so much about the internet and websites why dont you build your own site and let us into the wealth of knowledge you must have with your  pharmacy degree  ??

 

sorry i annoyed you, wasnt meaning to, just saying how i see things, bad habit i guess.   thought your site was okay as it happens    apologies if i rubbed you up wrong way m8   :B

[Guest youngzimmy]

[t is full of proteine being an x home brewer iknow that much

[jimmy white]

brewers yeast is a great supplement/tonic for pigeons [or humans]  but im not sure  this liquid bottle is [especially  smelling of beer] is the waste prodect  by the brewery ???

not sure i would trust  giving this to the birds,, as old yellow says a lab test would tell you the answers,but would it be worth it?/  , would it not be poss to have ordinary brewers yeast sent up by post?

[Hogni]

Well Jimmy, after trying to get pigeon products from various firms for some time now without luck

i decided to try to find some of the stuff i needed here in Iceland, i guess these firms have so many

customers and so much money that they don´t need me or my money, i guess it is thier right to

refuse to do business with me.

[Guest IB]

Well from what I picked up on this, brewers yeast is re-used, seems it collects and cakes at the bottom of the mash, is drawn off from there, dried and used in the next batch.

 

It also said that this is possible because the yeast survives the low alcohol content of beer - it's beer yeast we are talking about?

 

I think that's what you may have Hogni, a draw-off mixture from the bottom, don't know how you would dry it, but would you need to, given that you've to coat the feed to get brewers yeast to stick to it? And would it be possible to give this in the drinker?

[OLDYELLOW]

have made home brew when i was younger , what hogni has is sediment from the brewing process and the yeast may still be active , and yes they do use the yeast over and over , so he could be doing his birds some harm in giving it to them after all canker is a yeast infection

[REDCHEQHEN]

have made home brew when i was younger , what hogni has is sediment from the brewing process and the yeast may still be active , and yes they do use the yeast over and over , so he could be doing his birds some harm in giving it to them after all canker is a yeast infection

 

canker is a parasite (protozoa)

 

you've got some reading up to do I think

[OLDYELLOW]

Trichomonas gallinae is a single celled parasite, motile flagellate. Nearly all pigeons are carriers of trichomonads, which live in the mucosa of the beak and throat, the gullet and the crop. Infected pigeons excrete the parasites in saliva and faeces , the yeast if active would give these organisms an ideal enviroment to grown and end up with canker as a secondary infection

[Ian Gill]

Yeast has nothing to do with canker old yellow..

[OLDYELLOW]

secondary infection live yeast will cause the canker to flair

[Ian Gill]

Im not nit picking here mate but how or what do you base that theory on??

[OLDYELLOW]

lets take the base of food lets say wheat , wheat is a carbohydrate ( starch ) which when starting to break down turns in to digestable simple sugars which give the bird fuel , these sugars give yeast something to feed on and can cause a yeast infection ( been a primary infection ) and as a secondary infection can cause the canker to raise its head due to the change in its normal enviroment

[OLDYELLOW]

i must be doing something right , i dont treat and heres my last lab test before pairing up

[pigeonboyuk]

Yeast has nothing to do with canker old yellow..

there is a definite relationship between yeast and canker in the humans so i dont see why this cant be the same with pigeons?

 

 

[Hogni]

you might be right but you also have to remember that pigeons are not humans.

[Roland]

Canker is exactly the same as Thrush that women may well contract on many occassions. In our birds there are nigh thirty, or more. It is a common ailment that of no slurr upon any oman that get's it.... Likewise pigeons. In a mild form, canker can actually be of a great benefit to a pigeon. A weak virant keeps others at bay for instance.

personally I believe that too much empthasise is banded about willy nilly on this, mainly because Most pigeons carry it, and many endorse the cleansing of it.... BECAUSE it is a money maker.

[pigeonboyuk]

you might be right but you also have to remember that pigeons are not humans.

i am right m8, and pigeons anatomy isnt that far away from humans so the relationship on many levels can be crossed over and that includes illness and disease.    

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

Canker is exactly the same as Thrush that women may well contract on many occassions. In our birds there are nigh thirty, or more. It is a common ailment that of no slurr upon any oman that get's it.... Likewise pigeons. In a mild form, canker can actually be of a great benefit to a pigeon. A weak virant keeps others at bay for instance.

personally I believe that too much empthasise is banded about willy nilly on this, mainly because Most pigeons carry it, and many endorse the cleansing of it.... BECAUSE it is a money maker.

 

What utter rubbish you men spout

thrush - is a yeast infection - candida albicans - and is nothing like canker

 

there is a sexually transmitted disease called trichomoniasis - which is what you must be thinking of Roland - hope the wife hasn't been telling you porkies then (shrug)

 

time you lot read a few biology books - or got yourself a few leaflets from the GUM Clinic

[Ian Gill]

I think you are mistaken guys in this relationship between canker and yeast ..are you not confusing candidiasas with canker because they are not the same thing in women as someone said..one is a fungal infection while the other is a protazoan as in a living organism.

 

Candidiasas is caused by a type of yeast known as  Candida albicans and the fact that it flourishs after a pigeons(or humans) own natural bacteria has been hammered by antibiotics or even some  overuse of the more acidic stuff put in drinkers these days..when the pigeons bacteria are not there to keep the albicans in check you get thrush ..not canker....brewers yeast is not candida albicans and is of the utmost benifit to your birds when used properly and in moderation like everything else.

 

Certainly canker can become a secondary infection when the pigeons resistance is lowered by candidas but then so to can a host of other things

 

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast

[pigeonboyuk]

I think you are mistaken guys in this relationship between canker and yeast ..are you not confusing candidiasas with canker because they are not the same thing in women as someone said..one is a fungal infection while the other is a protazoan as in a living organism.

 

Candidiasas is caused by a type of yeast known as  Candida albicans and the fact that it flourishs after a pigeons(or humans) own natural bacteria has been hammered by antibiotics or even some  overuse of the more acidic stuff put in drinkers these days..when the pigeons bacteria are not there to keep the albicans in check you get thrush ..not canker....brewers yeast is not candida albicans and is of the utmost benifit to your birds when used properly and in moderation like everything else.

 

Certainly canker can become a secondary infection when the pigeons resistance is lowered by candidas but then so to can a host of other things

 

 

there is definately a cause and effect between yeast and canker just as there is with stress and canker, its a widely debated topic at the moment though and eventually someone will nail the problem and eliminate it without the use of antibiotics.  i'm trying to get some good articles on the studies being done and if and when i get permission to reproduce them i'll gladly post them here for people to read.  

 

 

nice to see a topic debated with passion but without too much nastiness.