sickness

[Guest mikkey]

over the last couple of weeks i have seen a few of my pigeons being sick ............................any ideas ladies and gents :-/

[Guest shadow]

young or old birds

[crazy pigeon boy]

if it's your young birds then it will most likely be young bird sickness it's quite common

[Guest IB]

Best not to jump to conclusions, a simple thing like drinking from a dirty gutter could make a bird vomit. If there is grain in the crop, that'll obviously be vomited up too.

 

Have a sniff at the vomited grain. If there is little smell off it, then its freshly eaten and it is likely the bird has been eating or drinking something it shouldn't, and brought everything up.

 

If it smells of alcohol, then it has been lying in the crop for a while and has started to ferment. That could be a problem.  

[doo]

[quoteif it's your young birds then it will most likely be young bird sickness it's quite common  

]

 

Maybe a bit early for ybs.....my opinion

[Guest mikkey]

its the older birds is there anything i can give to settle them or should i just let them ride it out although their not throwing up all the time just once or twice each

[gangster]

id take 1 too be checked by you local vet..its a safer bet than us all stabbing in the dark.....

[Simeon Turner]

id take 1 too be checked by you local vet..its a safer bet than us all stabbing in the dark.....

 

Agree with Gangster, get the birds tested

 

However, if the birds are ok in general, could be that they have gorged themselves on grit or minerals, or something they have picked up in the garden.

 

 

[Guest shadow]

stress can make the birds throw up if something is upsetting them is it the same birds or are they all doing it

[timbarra]

id take 1 too be checked by you local vet..its a safer bet than us all stabbing in the dark.....

 

mikkey, this is the best advice possible, or send to lizzy rigby in BHW they are pretty good i hear, but like the man says dont stab in the dark... you could do more harm than good.

 

spencer

[Guest mikkey]

thanks guys just received a bollocking from the missus  :'( the birds had been eating the plug and grow plants we had just bought 30 quids worth, had to cover them up and yes the greedy swines have stopped being sick but i guess i should get someone to check them over even though they look ok............................just another couple of questions how often should you give canker tablets and how often should they be wormed

[Guest IB]

Maybe ask the wife what plants were in there - there's a thread on here that gives you info on plants that are harmful to pigeons, and plants that are safe.

[Guest IB]

............................just another couple of questions how often should you give canker tablets and how often should they be wormed

 

On canker - there's different schools of thought on this.

 

First: full blown canker is a disease caused by maybe 2/3 strains of trichomonads. There are about 30 strains, so most are harmless.  Research shows a bird exposed to the mild strains become immune to the disease. Its like vaccinating them. They will always carry a low level of trichomonads = normal. The birds own immune system keeps the levels low - if they start to rise, its an indication that there is something else at work on the bird.

 

Second: birds shouldn't have 'canker' at all - medicate.

 

[note - cocci is the exactly the same, disease / normal levels / immunity] ]

 

 

On worms - there's different schools of thought on this.

 

First: blind treat.

 

Second: test droppings and treat if necessary.

 

I have had birds tested twice in 6 years for worms - first time was last year, and they were clear; second time this year prior to pairing up - hairworm diagnosed and I flock treated, as advised by the vet. The only difference in my management between the tests was that I had brought in new birds after the first test. I had noticed that one or two of the new ones had suspect droppings.

 

Now for the new info bit. Never posted this before. Did you know that the bird has its own in-built worm protection? Its called an eosinophil, and its specifically designed to kill all types of worm. They inject the worm with a neurotoxin (paralyses it?) and attach two different kinds of 'limpet mine' to it which 'blows' the worm apart.

 

So basically, if a bird has worms, or develops full blown canker, or develops full blown coccidiosis, its immune system is not working properly, or is not properly equipped to deal with these problems.....  

[Guest mikkey]

ive only had pigeons 8 months i have given them a canker tablet once and they havent been treated for worms unless the people i got them from have treated them, so should i get them wormed to be on the safe side and whats the best way is it tablet form

[timbarra]

thanks guys just received a bollocking from the missus  :'( the birds had been eating the plug and grow plants we had just bought 30 quids worth, had to cover them up and yes the greedy swines have stopped being sick but i guess i should get someone to check them over even though they look ok............................just another couple of questions how often should you give canker tablets and how often should they be wormed

 

Mikkey, i have never wormed my pigeons in 26 years , i canker them when i see it in the throat, thats it, i have therefore not really treated my birds for anything for the last 16 years.... strong pigeons and natural immunity.

 

spencer

 

 

[Lennut Tar]

 

Mikkey, i have never wormed my pigeons in 26 years , i canker them when i see it in the throat, thats it, i have therefore not really treated my birds for anything for the last 16 years.... strong pigeons and natural immunity.

 

spencer

 

 

Spencer !!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D It's funny isn't ?????????. How some of us are just plain luckier   ;) I'm afraid, than many others in this sport it appears. "Poor old vets & drug company's"   :P they miss out on so much of our money. Unfortunately  :'( :'( :'(.

Enjoy.

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

Most " systems" advise treating canker and cocci every 4 weeks during race season as stated they get a little stressed during this time and C/C can get a foothold at these times

[heather down]

  since my husband  passed away 2 years ago I havent flown but  I shall be  racing again with a friend of his in July he hasnt flown for over 25 years. The  last couple of days a few young birds  have been sick, and have had loose green droppings. They were flying well and coming in but now a few seem to be stubborn and not coming in.I was training to the whistle which was going really well. Is It young bird sickness

[REDCHEQHEN]

  since my husband  passed away 2 years ago I havent flown but  I shall be  racing again with a friend of his in July he hasnt flown for over 25 years. The  last couple of days a few young birds  have been sick, and have had loose green droppings. They were flying well and coming in but now a few seem to be stubborn and not coming in.I was training to the whistle which was going really well. Is It young bird sickness

 

I don't know Heather - but wish you luck getting back into racing

 

this link might give you some ideas (scroll down the symptoms page)

until someone can advise you

 

http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/symptoms/index.php

[heather down]

thanks for your reply nice to hear from another woman especially from yorkshire I'm from Doncaster but originally from S wales

[REDCHEQHEN]

thanks for your reply nice to hear from another woman especially from yorkshire I'm from Doncaster but originally from S wales

 

There are quite a few females on this site Heather (evil)(evil)

 

I'm in Redcar (by the sea (ok) )

[Novice]

Might be worthwhile looking to see if they are retaining excessive water in their crops.

[heather down]

there not going out tomorrow just having fresh water and no food and then we will see what happens Im surprised that I'm able to do this as I'm new to this forum and not very good on computers. Thanks for the advice, some of my husbands friends have given me help and advice and youngsters from our old pigeons that were sold at his bereavement sale. Had 4 from a friend from Bellshill lanarkshire

[Mixxy]

heather sounds like high cocci count not YBS.

[Guest dibble]

could be ybs heather to be on the safe side put cider vinegar in the water,after a couple of days the droppings should be back to normal,if not you have to look for secondry infections like e,coli,