Illness with Young Birds

[Robert.Hayde]

Ok I need some urgent help. We have had about 6 young birds die in the past hour and nothing we know could of caused it. The symptoms are weakness in the legs they have collapsed and there breathing is really bad they are all the same, they are gasping for air also a loss of weight in the young birds.

 

Need a reply as soon as possible plus thank you for your help!

[Guest]

sounds like poisoning, could try purging their crops.

[just ask me]

a few pictures of birds would be great it would be hard to say what is wrong from such info

 

is it only young birds what age have they been vaccinated are they flying out as much info is put here will help i know u want an answer quick what are u in maybe there someone here in your area that could help

[carlsberg]

have you looked in there mouths maybe canker

[Guest Owen]

How old are these birds? Are they fly/walking out side? Are they walking about in a garden? Are they pecking poisonous plants? Do they have access to privet? When did you notice there condition falling off?

There are a wide range of things that could cause this problem, so if you want to ask for help you must give us more details. On the other hand you should shut them in the loft and get to a good avian Vet tomorrow.

[Robert.Hayde]

sounds like poisoning, could try purging their crops.

 

same thoughts but their crops are full

 

a few pictures of birds would be great it would be hard to say what is wrong from such info

 

is it only young birds what age have they been vaccinated are they flying out as much info is put here will help i know u want an answer quick what are u in maybe there someone here in your area that could help

 

They have not been vaccinated yet. (we have the vaccine ready)

They are just ready to start flying

Picking on the garden

I do remember that weed killer was put on the boundary fence last october and we have seen them picking in that area today

 

have you looked in there mouths maybe canker

 

we treated for canker last week

 

How old are these birds? Are they fly/walking out side? Are they walking about in a garden? Are they pecking poisonous plants? Do they have access to privet? When did you notice there condition falling off?

There are a wide range of things that could cause this problem, so if you want to ask for help you must give us more details. On the other hand you should shut them in the loft and get to a good avian Vet tomorrow.

 

9-10 weeks old the young birds are

To are knowledge no pecking at plants

 

Some more details -

They were healthy when we let them out, they been fed and watered, 20 mins listless, lose feathering, can not stand, gasping for air

 

also thank you all for your fast responses

[Tony C]

See if you can contact this Vet

http://www.poultryhealthcentre.com/mainpages/practice.htm

 

by email:- dgp@poultryhealthcentre.com

 

by mobile and text:- 07811 155387

[Robert.Hayde]

See if you can contact this Vet

http://www.poultryhealthcentre.com/mainpages/practice.htm

 

by email:- dgp@poultryhealthcentre.com

 

by mobile and text:- 07811 155387

 

We have contacted one of are local vets

[dazza]

Can't see how it could be anything other than poisoning, it has happened too quickly for it to be anything else. Can only recommend what you have already done and contact vet. I wish you well.

 

Dazza

[Robert.Hayde]

Can't see how it could be anything other than poisoning, it has happened too quickly for it to be anything else. Can only recommend what you have already done and contact vet. I wish you well.

 

Dazza

 

Yes I do think it is poisoning

Really bad start for my dad well we just have to see what happens

 

a really good thank you to you all for your help any more posts are welcome

 

also thanks for welcoming me to this community you guys have given me a good feel about this forum  

 

I will also keep you informed to see what happens

[REDCHEQHEN]

What weedkiller was used?

 

[Guest]

When its this quick it has to be poisoning. I heard this before, and i'm sure it was a rat poison, but not 100% sure. You need to clean them out to prevent further loss.

 

Use 1/4 cup of baking soda to 1 pint of warm water, then take a childs ear syringe and fill with the water and put it in the birds mouth clear to the back so as not to strangle the bird, flush and then come up from under the crop and force the contents of the crop out the birds beak do this three times and it will be cleaned out.

[Guest dibble]

think terry mcarthy on pigeon chat had something similar last year turned out to be streppicoccus {mispelt} but not sure which strain best get checked out by vet asap, he said worse thing ever seen in pigeons

[Tony C]

When its this quick it has to be poisoning. I heard this before, and i'm sure it was a rat poison, but not 100% sure. You need to clean them out to prevent further loss.

 

Use 1/4 cup of baking soda to 1 pint of warm water, then take a childs ear syringe and fill with the water and put it in the birds mouth clear to the back so as not to strangle the bird, flush and then come up from under the crop and force the contents of the crop out the birds beak do this three times and it will be cleaned out.

 

Not necessary the case mickb, there was something similar happening to pigeons a few years back which affected both young and old birds, a form of Herpesvirus was diagnosed.

[just ask me]

think terry mcarthy on pigeon chat had something similar last year turned out to be streppicoccus {mispelt} but not sure which strain best get checked out by vet asap, he said worse thing ever seen in pigeons

 

ive a feeling u could be right  :-/

[Guest bigda]

how long where the birds sick, sitting hunched up feathers blown  siting on the floor, as i dont think they have been poisoned  more  like adenovirus   circovirus  and if untreated 2-3 days max  then death,  before death the puewk  up green slimy water.

[REDCHEQHEN]

ANY OTHER DISEASES YOU LOT CAN THINK OF THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED

 

For Gods sake

[steve d]

its poisoning take mick b advice

[Tony C]

Never assume anything is the point I’m making!

[Guest B@C WARD]

I think its Samoneilla. The same thing happened to us when we were given 4 young birds and put them in with our young 1s.  Let them out to fly. Were fine to start with then started lying on loft gasping for breath and looking stunned. within afew hrs 19 were dead. we thought it was poisoning too.  treat all pigeons for samoneilla.

[just ask me]

question are birds getting sick also any swollen joints

[Guest]

ANY OTHER DISEASES YOU LOT CAN THINK OF THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED

 

For Gods sake

 

lol, i was thinking the same. Look at what the guy says, all fit and healthy when they went out! I never mentioned any use of medication, no need, won't help them. What i suggested won't hurt them, but needs to be done asap!

 

Streptococci bovis is what Terry's birds had but i think his birds caught it racing.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest bigda]

ANY OTHER DISEASES YOU LOT CAN THINK OF THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED

 

For Gods sake

 

take a chill pill mate,   the info is  sparse and  sudden death

is a concern,  and has links to circovirus, had dealings  with the top vet in Scotland  from auchincruive and  he has trouble

giving you a cure, for the same symptoms  and even when  fresh killed, the virus disappears from the bird  within minutes  

[Robert.Hayde]

I think its Samoneilla. The same thing happened to us when we were given 4 young birds and put them in with our young 1s.  Let them out to fly. Were fine to start with then started lying on loft gasping for breath and looking stunned. within afew hrs 19 were dead. we thought it was poisoning too.  treat all pigeons for samoneilla.

 

I am not too sure if this is correct but I overheard my dad say he was given a young bird some time ago and put them with are young birds, also all the things you said happened to your birds are happening to mine I really hope this is not the case so I will inform him when he gets back from where ever he has gone about the info you guys have given.

 

Thank you

[Guest]

 

take a chill pill mate,   the info is  sparse and  sudden death

is a concern,  and has links to circovirus, had dealings  with the top vet in Scotland  from auchincruive and  he has trouble

giving you a cure, for the same symptoms  and even when  fresh killed, the virus disappears from the bird  within minutes  

 

I was told that circovirus does show signs of illness, which can mimic other diseases (ie cocci, weigt loss lethargy etc) thats why it so hard to diagnose without a blood test, and its usually a secondary infection that kills the bird. The vet i spoke to (belgian) referred to it as an "aids" in pigeons as it virtually destroys the immunity to infection and disease.