p m v once again

[Guest IB]

how can i be putting any other birds at risk there vaccinated its mine that are at risk because they are not vaccinated but are in contact with carriers thanks to mass vaccination.

 

I'm sorry but your wrong. The virus in the vaccine is inactivated. It cannot cause disease.

 

Frankly your birds are at risk through your own lack of understanding of how vaccination works. Its not my birds that you'll catch PMV from, but from the other guy's that thinks the same as you .. and hasn't vaccinated.

[duffer]

no mix up your not listening to what i am saying,out of all his birds only two got into that state he put them down.the point is are pigeons now weaker due to  all this treatment, now most birds in loft get in this state.

[duffer]

so who is complaining not the fancier who didnt vaccinate it was his choice,not me my birds never caught it,all i can say is it worked for me.

[Guest IB]

no mix up your not listening to what i am saying,out of all his birds only two got into that state he put them down.the point is are pigeons now weaker due to  all this treatment, now most birds in loft get in this state.

 

And again, how did you or your friend know these birds had PMV? From information posted over the years on this Site, 2 viral and 3 bacterial diseases in pigeons cause exactly the same symptoms.

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

when mine had it they all went west someone else i know had it he culled what he thought were worst in end killed lot as loft like slurry pit birds spinning like tops twisting necks alround

[Guest bigda]

untreated bird  there is no natural immunity mate, no when  they are exposed to this  sh** if you go on holiday to the Asian states try  and no take a vaccine there and you'll come home in a wheel chair  the same as your letting your birds  take the chance

[ChrisMaidment08]

more to point others birds but duffer has one valid point if alll birds vacc how could they catch it from anywere

[Guest bigda]

at least 10% of all fanciers don't jag is because they don't   want to spend the money on the vaccine, and most of the other 5%  mooch it from other fanciers in the club , you all  know them in your club and generally they are the first out your club  and do sod all don't hold down any posts in your club  put  50 pence on a raffle and  you think you hit them  on the head with the noise that comes from them   i   think all  vaccinations should be done in  the club hut

that way  the shirkers are nailed.

[ChrisMaidment08]

oh so very true as clubs should ensure birds are done

[Roland]

Carriers can carry it, of course they can, that's why they are called carriers. may depend granted whether Live vacine or not.

[blackswan]

when you vaccinate the pigeons the virus is still being passed in there dropings for up to six weeks that is why it is best done long before training and racing starts but not all fanciers do this i have known people jagging on basketing night then putting that same pigeons to the race then the crates never being cleaned the next week and on it goes this is why it needs to be kept in check

[Guest IB]

when you vaccinate the pigeons the virus is still being passed in there dropings for up to six weeks that is why it is best done long before training and racing starts but not all fanciers do this i have known people jagging on basketing night then putting that same pigeons to the race then the crates never being cleaned the next week and on it goes this is why it needs to be kept in check

 

Sorry, but there seems to be a lot of confusion on PMV vaccine.

 

There are only 2 licensed in the UK, and they both use 'dead' virus.

 

Dead virus cannot infect pigeons body, cannot cause disease, they cannot multiply and therefore there can't be shedding of any virus in the droppings at all.

 

 

[Taylorsloft]

there was a few feral pigeons in aberdeen had it 2 years ago

[Guest]

stevie i heard it wes more than a few

in the area involved fanciers were scared to let their birds out

[Taylorsloft]

seaton they where rolling about street made a change from the druggies  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[jimmy white]

stevie i heard it wes more than a few

in the area involved fanciers were scared to let their birds out

 

if any pigeons  are vaccinated , there  SHOULD?  be no worries whatsoever in catching pmv from any unvaccinated bird

but if the birds are not vaccinated and your birds do catch this ,, it will go through the loft like a dose of salts

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thats why i mentioned that in feral pigeons throughout the uk , there have been very   few ,,," epidemics" of this, compared to the amount of ferals in the uk, meaning that they must have a bigger immunity than racing pigeons

[blackswan]

 

Sorry, but there seems to be a lot of confusion on PMV vaccine.

 

There are only 2 licensed in the UK, and they both use 'dead' virus.

 

Dead virus cannot infect pigeons body, cannot cause disease, they cannot multiply and therefore there can't be shedding of any virus in the droppings at all.

 

if the pigeons that have been vaccinated as you state with a dead vaccine could you explain how

late bred birds not flying out  still picks it up.the virus

[Guest IB]

if the pigeons that have been vaccinated as you state with a dead vaccine could you explain how

late bred birds not flying out  still picks it up.the virus

 

My answer to that would be the virus has been introduced into the loft. There's a number of ways that could happen and all of them are down to breaking basic hygiene rules: bringing in new pigeons without quarantine; or through you or visitors to your loft that have been in contact with infected birds.

[blackswan]

 

My answer to that would be the virus has been introduced into the loft. There's a number of ways that could happen and all of them are down to breaking basic hygiene rules: bringing in new pigeons without quarantine; or through you or visitors to your loft that have been in contact with infected birds.

hi IB at no time did i ever say that the pigeons were in my loft but we all have our own thoughts on the subject

 

[BLACK W F]

Stevie  there would have been more than ferals or drugies rolling about the streets of Seaton more so on a Friday and Saturday night  lol

[Guest IB]

hi IB at no time did i ever say that the pigeons were in my loft but we all have our own thoughts on the subject

 

Wasn't infering they were.  

 

I thought you had asked how a group of birds that hadn't flown out could become infected. We have examples of that from Bird flu, where the UK farm workers transmitted the virus from one farm to another on their clothing; and the TV crew in France that carried the virus from one shed to another on their boots.