what do i treat for ?

[DJ]

i was given some pairs of old birds that belonged to a fancier who passed away after a long ilness  when the birds arrived they seemed to be in good condition apart from a few lice and mites but when i recently went to his loft to collect some box perches i noticed rat holes in the loft floor and his wife told me that they had been having a vermin problem for the last couple of years since the fancier had become ill  i also noticed some wheat on the loft floor so im assuming that the birds have eaten feed that has been contaminated by the rats or mice    im sure that i read somewhere that mice can cause disease if they get into the corn but i dont remember what disease or how to treat it?  it would be great if anyone could advise me   thanks   debbie :-/

[Guest strapper]

salmonela is one that they can spread, a good broad spectrum antibiotic to clear them out wouldnt go a miss.

 

forgot to mention...this needs to be done before them having young because anything they MAY have could be passed onto their young.

[REDCHEQHEN]

Don't mix these birds with your own Debbie - keep them separate - for 2 to 3 weeks - and observe them -  but preferably have a full health check on them

 

Salmonella - paratyphoid - from mouse urine

[OLDYELLOW]

whats there dropping like and how do they look ? i would get them swabbed and tested a bit of apple cider vinegar 5 ml per litre wouldnt go a miss  

[jimmy white]

Don't mix these birds with your own Debbie - keep them separate - for 2 to 3 weeks - and observe them -  but preferably have a full health check on them

 

Salmonella - paratyphoid - from mouse urine

 

would agree with red cheqhen,, paratyphoid [on health thread, may help ],, swab and droppings test from a good avian vet, would prob ease your mind

[andrew gooch]

Belgica de weerd and pantex holland have verry good parastop products

just in case the birds have been eating the soild food or infeted drinkers

[just ask me]

i wouldn't touch them birds with a 50ft pole  but if u really want them id id put them in a averiy do them for canker cocci all types of worms put on a course of parastop wait 5 days then vaccinate for parathyroid

 

really u are a taking a massive chance with these birds there's so many different kinds of diseases and virus doing the rounds id leave them where they are

[andrew gooch]

spot on good advise

[just ask me]

remember also parathyroid can be in birds with no visual signs what so ever ive seen birds win shows with this disease then a week or so later there showing signs of it ure whole loft cold break out with it many birds could die show no signs and u could do a cull and leave the ones that don't show any signs of the virus but the carrier could be one these birds so it will only rear it ugly head again

 

also i think its one of the main reasons for the high amount of young bird losses  i have vaccinated the last 3 year with 90% of youngsters flying the full youngbird program the last few year i think i lost 5 youngbirds in the last 3 year that includes train too and another problem is most pll vaccinate too late at 6 weeks old the right time is at weening stage ie 21 23 days some pll actually do them in the nest im not so sure about that ive read if u vaccinate early it also a help if u get the circovirus ive read they don't get it half as hard as birds that are not vaccinated against parathyroid

[DJ]

thanks everyone for all the replies  when i took the birds out of the baskets they looked fine but with some lice and mites which i treated straightaway with ivermectin  the birds i was given were some of the remaining ones as the hawks had taken quite a few as they were on open hole  they are now being treated for canker,cocci and worms but before they go in with my own birds i want to be sure they are ok healthwise   will the usual droppings/swab test pick up up things like salmonella and paratyphoid? or is there another way of testing for all diseases ?  sorry for all the questions but i dont want to put my other birds at risk!  debbie

[just ask me]

the unfortunate thing it all depends on what tests they do as some tests will not so parathyroid but will show salmonella it will depend on the test centre as as far as i can remember with parathyroid i could be wrong but i think the only test for parathyroid is a autopsy test which i think will help ure situation  i could be wrong with this not 100% sure

 

 

 

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[smiler]

try protril & viramune in water 4 ten day that will clear ur bird out

[nittin vi]

do think for one minute that rats and mice never get in contact with doo meat prior to it getting bagged up having worked in and around these places its an eye opener pigeons have a fair degree of imunity or they would have died out long before now

checkout the droppings and wattles eyelid feet temperature and body weight were there any dead birds in the place you got them ?  remember you can smell vermin above the normal loft odours,

[just ask me]

try protril & viramune in water 4 ten day that will clear ur bird out

 

what are these

[smiler]

ther an antibiotic for pigeons that have being  effected by mice dropping,,,,  think there used in other treatments to

[nittin vi]

one more thing there would be no grain on the floor if the vermin were active

[just ask me]

ther an antibiotic for pigeons that have being  effected by mice dropping,,,,  think there used in other treatments to

 

do u know what there ingredients are

[hotrod]

ther an antibiotic for pigeons that have being  effected by mice dropping,,,,  think there used in other treatments to

 

dont think so mate their not antibiotics mate

[hotrod]

back to the question if they have survived in a rat hole for a couple of years /although get them tested and keep them away/they will have a great immunity system

[smiler]

i bought in a few pair of feeder that i had problems with a few months back sent dropping and swabs  to pigeon health in essex  they found birds were infects by mouse droppings and that wat they recommended   so went with it  the birds a a picture of health and i baycox them after it,,,, so it work 4 me

[nittin vi]

correct hotrod  they are all to quick into the medicine cabinet

[hotrod]

i bought in a few pair of feeder that i had problems with a few months back sent dropping and swabs  to pigeon health in essex  they found birds were infects by mouse droppings and that wat they recommended   so went with it  the birds a a picture of health and i baycox them after it,,,, so it work 4 me

 

sorry mate i know it would work probably but their not antibiotics, ones a probiotic .try and stay away from antibiotic abuse you WILL be sorry.

[just ask me]

i bought in a few pair of feeder that i had problems with a few months back sent dropping and swabs  to pigeon health in essex  they found birds were infects by mouse droppings and that wat they recommended   so went with it  the birds a a picture of health and i baycox them after it,,,, so it work 4 me

 

yes but baycox is not a cure for sameomla its mostly used for cocci

 

all im saying is there would be a huge problem caused here and the original pigeons infected as no fancier can tell if a pigeon has parathyroid for sure  it only comes out when the signs of sameonla comes ie swelling joints  and the rest

 

what i would do at least is do what i said in the above post with para stop and vaccinate

[smiler]

i stand corrected ,,, i thought they were antibiotics dnt know why maybe becouse its always antibiotics we get wen were ill ;D any i know they work  

[just ask me]

correct hotrod  they are all to quick into the medicine cabinet

 

well these birds are most likely infected all im doing advising on what virus and diseases these birds most likely have as i seen lots of cases like this and no tests as far as i know will detect para so the best treatment is a course of parastop and then vacanite  really all fanicers should be doing this