do you treat canker

[jimmy_84]

cheers chrissyboy

[chrissyboy]

years gone by, they used the top of a match to cure canker ,or used sodium bicarbonate ,how times have changed

[Guest chrisss]

iodine

 

snap you cannot beat it for many things

[Bluedoo]

Canker treatments, rodizanol (treatment usually in water drinker), flagyl ( again in drinker, orally or on corn), emtryll ( in drinker), Trico plus ( drinker), main four products used with racing pigeons and poultry. I have heard that 1 cap of cider finger per week in drinker also keeps canker levels low. james Herriot Esq ( PORTABLE VET) :P

 

EEh Mr Erriot,

Reet glad thee's finally got yir hand out that cows b*ckside. Is vet'inary better payed than't chemist?

Please excuse Yorkshirese.

On a more serious note, how often do you treat your birds with this? I don't think I've treated my birds for canker this century. I'm not saying I have never treated for it. I have been using cider vinegar for the last few years, didn't realise it had that effect.

[Guest chrisss]

does any of this come under the heading of blind treatment?,if a bird shows no sign why treat?,i am just asking

[frank-123]

what signs tell you birds have canker and what signs tell you they don't ? chriss

[Guest 67ghirl]

Would have liked the option in the Poll for 'treat only when showing early signs of Canker' or similar! so guess it will have to be less than three weekly. :-/

[bewted]

all the top flyers treat once a month

 

and how would you know they all treat once a month ????????

[pjc]

cider vinigar and regular test show no other treatment required!

[Guest chrisss]

what signs tell you birds have canker and what signs tell you they don't ? chriss

 

thats why i am asking for i have not raced [yet] the only birds that i have die on me, have died of old age [i had a son of stan the man who died at the start of this year aged 15, his hen is still here at the age of 13,she bred until she was 10,remember the old harpers strain]all /most of my old birds are that, very old,all iam asking is do you need to treat for everything in sight like clockwork every week/month,and could this be connected to the large losses that are happening?,the only signs that i know are the old cheesy growth bit,internal canker i know nothing about but would guess would be more of a secondary infection?, i would check their droppings[like we all do]who knows everthing about canker anyway,there are 2 main types and about 40/50 strains of infectious protozoa

[Guest IB]

Reckon it may be the acid in cider vinegar that reduces trichonomads, I don't think they thrive in an acid environment.. The other 'natural' thing I've seen mentioned is garlic, which has cured trichomonas infection in humans. I give both cider vinegar and garlic on a weekly basis, but I expect the bird itself to maintain trich at low 'background' levels, these low levels are required to maintain the bird's immunity against the disease-causing strains.

[Guest chrisss]

Reckon it may be the acid in cider vinegar that reduces trichonomads, I don't think they thrive in an acid environment.. The other 'natural' thing I've seen mentioned is garlic, which has cured trichomonas infection in humans. I give both cider vinegar and garlic on a weekly basis, but I expect the bird itself to maintain trich at low 'background' levels, these low levels are required to maintain the bird's immunity against the disease-causing strains.

 

if you don't mind me saying so thats it in a nutshell " the canker count" only appears high when the bird is stressed,every bird has canker to one degree or another,so do you need to treat on a monthly basis[as for all the top flyers treating all of the time do you want to bet on that?]

[Guest IB]

 

thats why i am asking for i have not raced [yet] the only birds that i have die on me, have died of old age [i had a son of stan the man who died at the start of this year aged 15, his hen is still here at the age of 13,she bred until she was 10,remember the old harpers strain]all /most of my old birds are that, very old,all iam asking is do you need to treat for everything in sight like clockwork every week/month,and could this be connected to the large losses that are happening?,the only signs that i know are the old cheesy growth bit,internal canker i know nothing about but would guess would be more of a secondary infection?, i would check their droppings[like we all do]who knows everthing about canker anyway,there are 2 main types and about 40/50 strains of infectious protozoa

 

Its a throat or crop swab that tells you what level of trich the bird is carrying. Some folk consider finding trich is the same as finding canker. It isn't. Not all strains cause canker - the disease - some confer immunity to full-blown canker, and I've never seen that disease in my life.

[Guest chrisss]

 

Its a throat or crop swab that tells you what level of trich the bird is carrying. Some folk consider finding trich is the same as finding canker. It isn't. Not all strains cause canker - the disease - some confer immunity to full-blown canker, and I've never seen that disease in my life.

 

cheers for that i never ever knew, i always assumed that "trich" was the same as canker

[frank-123]

ib how many races have you won this year? by not treating

[Guest chrisss]

ib how many races have you won this year? by not treating

 

i have never hidden the fact that this would have been my first years racing since my daughter died, i can/will never claim to be an expert,pigeon racing is a "broad church" what works for one will not work for everyone, treat your birds all the time/every time its nothing to me, not everything comes down to how many races have you won,by that definition you wake up one day find out you have won race number 5 [any number will do]and now you are an expert, i do know that my young birds were flying in excess of 2.45 hrs twice a day [that was the lazy ones]the top club flyers in my area were turning up to see what i was feeding,what i put in the water,and if i treated the birds for canker etc,nothing grand in the overall scheme of things but it got a few guys worried,next year its blitzkrieg time ask me again,then

[Guest IB]

ib how many races have you won this year? by not treating

 

I do not consider there is any link between treating (medicating) pigeons and winning. I have not won any races and that had nothing at all to do treating, or not treating for canker. My pigeons are bred to win 500 mile races. I haven't been to any yet. They are also much too slow for ordinary club & fed racing, and no amount of training or medicating will ever change that..  

[frank-123]

listen please don't take offence i have won once and been second twice this season and i treat for canker

just looking for answer's guess you are well chriss and ib

[Guest chrisss]

listen please don't take offence i have won once and been second twice this season and i treat for canker

just looking for answer's guess you are well chriss and ib

 

no offence taken mate you have one win and two seconds more than me, when i start to race next year if/when!!! my birds are behind i would be looking for reasons why[but does there have to be a reason or does sxxx just happen?]

[chrissyboy]

I think you are lining the pockets of all these companies selling these products for canker, but every man for himself ,why  not only treat half your team and analyse effects at end of season.

[ChrisMaidment08]

ib how many races have you won this year? by not treating

 

all of em in between testing

[Roland]

Remember  - for those that treat - to use a different cure / remedy on at least the third time. There are around 27 strains and they tend to get immuned very quickly. Fourth treat with same stuff probably just enhances the canker. It is the same a woman's 'Thrush'.

Use TO take a match and twine it around years bad when it got pretty bad... might even have missed a race that week - end if after the Wednesday ... and 1/6 was needed in the pocket lol.

[Guest IB]

listen please don't take offence i have won once and been second twice this season and i treat for canker

just looking for answer's guess you are well chriss and ib

 

No offence taken, Frank. Just making the point that that there are reasons other than 'not medicating' for not winning.  I'd similar conversation(s) with two of my club mates recently: Rab Jack, who has had a marvellous OB season, also advised me to medicate for canker, but in my mind I already do, and in a much safer way than using the antimicrobials which have created so many resistant strains; and on my moaning about being in the bottom half of the sheet yet again, Sandy Watson commented: you are buying in 500 mile pigeons, you can't expect these pigeons to race like sprinters in the club..

 

 

[Tony C]

Never treated my old birds this year at all for canker, in fact never treated my young birds for it last year neither so my yearlings have never had a canker treatment period. Do I wish I had of done? No Way!!

 

My pigeons flew consistently well from the first to the last race. I’m happy with what they achieved and my curiosity has been answered

[JSTOON]

 

EEh Mr Erriot,

Reet glad thee's finally got yir hand out that cows b*ckside. Is vet'inary better payed than't chemist?

Please excuse Yorkshirese.

On a more serious note, how often do you treat your birds with this? I don't think I've treated my birds for canker this century. I'm not saying I have never treated for it. I have been using cider vinegar for the last few years, didn't realise it had that effect.

 

OCH EYE THE NOOR JIMMY MY LAD, my scottish isnt very cracking either.   ;)

Heres a tale why i treat religiously every three weeks-

First young bird race this year, wednesday before youingbirds fit and well, tested by vet and found to have a perfect bill of health. Went to the first race that saturday, the first time that my birds have mixed with others, as im not a transporter trainer, i do it myself. Prior to going, cracking droppins, and a picture of health. A perticular hard race for the first yb race, again witgh many casualties missing, 29/31 returned for me. droppings and condition following day was shocking, tested on the monday only to find that the birds had picked a viral infection up, i was 5th, 6th at the first race. The birds were traeted and were tested again thursday to see if the infection had cleared, which it had. That weekend again some birds lost, 34/35 home, winning club and topping fed. at the club on the friday, i personally turned birds back which werent in a good state of health. This is the problem that we are face with now, birds being put into baskets taht arnt right, which are then contaminating other fit and healthy birds. When i told the members saturday night, some said my droppings have bein bad for the last month, then why send, what are they achieving, cos there not winning a carrot, and are loosing birds hand over fist. The birds are treat for canker ona  three week cycle, which finishes when the birds are stopped racing, which is only 14 weeks out of a 52 week peroid, so in effect, there probably treat 4/5 times a year at the most, dont see taht as over doing them, and with 32 1st this year to date, long may it continue.

 

Got to go, emergency calls, one of my mates has something stuck up a ewe lol :D