Disturibing News on Young Bird Death's

[swilcox]

Ive been hearing lots of news about mass young birds death's amognst fanciers including lots of ybs that have been bought in from studs, is anyone else hearing the same???

 

Stuart

[Guest]

Ive been hearing lots of news about mass young birds death's amognst fanciers including lots of ybs that have been bought in from studs, is anyone else hearing the same???

 

Stuart

YEP this is evry year,as i keep in contact with many fanciers in england and all over ireland i have had more reports this year of young bird death's And all coming from one stud .

 

 

[rasbull]

which stud is that?

[OLDYELLOW]

just because people are getting young bird mortalitys how can anyone be 100% sure that its not the care they recieved after been shipped ? if any shipment / consignment doesnt meet the fanciers satisfaction im sure they can be returned   which stud is it ?

[Guest strapper]

YEP this is evry year,as i keep in contact with many fanciers in england and all over ireland i have had more reports this year of young bird death's And all coming from one stud .

 

can you pm me with which stud so im in the know in case i decide to purchase

 

[nogin]

can you pm me with which stud so im in the know in case i decide to purchase

 

I SAY NAME THEM AND SHAME THEM  >

[swilcox]

Not really interested in what stud it is, is anyone getting the problem identified so that we can learn more about it???? Progress is the key factor.

 

I heard that an Irish Fancier lost 65 from 70 ybs????? thats very severe.

[Guest joshdonlan]

was it not PMV? there was someone on here from Ireland reporting this not so long back.

[swilcox]

Hi there

 

Im not sure but i would be interested to find out, i thought PMV had weakened somewhat over the years parathyphoid had taken over but maybe not.

 

Did he buy the 70 young birds or breed them or was there a mix.

 

Something very similiar has happened to a friend, he brought some birds in that died and now his own birds are suffering, i feel desperately sorry for him.

 

Stuart

[Guest joshdonlan]

I think this may have been another case.

 

This is the link to what i was thinking about

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1239136708/

 

Sounds a similar scenario though  

[Guest strapper]

Hi there

 

Im not sure but i would be interested to find out, i thought PMV had weakened somewhat over the years parathyphoid had taken over but maybe not.

 

Did he buy the 70 young birds or breed them or was there a mix.

 

Something very similiar has happened to a friend, he brought some birds in that died and now his own birds are suffering, i feel desperately sorry for him.

 

Stuart

 

 

your right stu m8...paratyphoid has risen considerably over the last 2 seasons.

last year saw a big rise in lofts reporting this.

there has been recently a warning that it has been hitting south wales in spots.

maybe another injection that we may have to do each year in the future?

 

[Guest chrisss]

a lot of guys do it already mate ;) ;) ;)

[Roland]

Hi there

 

Im not sure but i would be interested to find out, i thought PMV had weakened somewhat over the years parathyphoid had taken over but maybe not.

 

....., i feel desperately sorry for him.

 

So do I feel desperately sorry for him!  Parathyphoid / Samonella is rife. So many have it /* have carriers  and don't realise is unreal. A goos vet reckons that 2 out of three lofts now have it. Now that is really terrifying! Would be if 1 in ten, or 1 in a 100!

I've, like you all may well know, had it. Was one year toxin poison, then brought from a 'name'. Gosh, it is terrifying to have.

Stuart

 

 

[les]

 

 

your right stu m8...paratyphoid has risen considerably over the last 2 seasons.

last year saw a big rise in lofts reporting this.

there has been recently a warning that it has been hitting south wales in spots.

maybe another injection that we may have to do each year in the future?

strapper i offerd you enough paratyphoid preventative to do all your birds for a £5 about 1 month ago,not an injection either but a liquid to put in the water ,dont under stand why you never took up the offer i know you havent got para but the offer was there,ATB les.

 

[DeDarren]

Unfortunately it happened to us last year, we were gifted 4 young'uns by the top dogs in our club a week before we weaned our first round over, they wiped the whole lot out and it took a number of our more valuable stock birds also. PMV was the culprit. Good luck for your friend's birds Stuart, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[pjc]

Llouella has been mentioned on a previous thread regarding i'll young birds. Last year a neighbour purchased a team of youngsters from there and within a couple of days they started to die, fortunatly they were isolated from the main loft, after a week of daily deaths the balance were sent back and  money refunded.

He's just had a letter asking for him to check his birds as they beleive they may have transfered a wrong ring to him, they have clearly resold one of the sick birds that he returned last year to somebody for stock!

[Guest strapper]

strapper i offerd you enough paratyphoid preventative to do all your birds for a £5 about 1 month ago,not an injection either but a liquid to put in the water ,dont under stand why you never took up the offer i know you havent got para but the offer was there,ATB les.

 

 

i had some given me les m8 around the same time...but the offer was much appreciated les m8

[Guest numpty01]

sorry to put dampner on thread but in phone call by mate that has ordered 12 to the stud concerned it seemsthat they are trying to find the instigators of rumor to take exstream action against anyone with this info so best left un said i think for benifit of site and youerself.s as we all know how much money pull they have ;D ;D ;D

[steve d]

I had 18 off this stud this time and can say they are all up and flying and I have lost one, my only moan is that I wanted them about 2 weeks earlier than i got them which i was a little pi**ed off with.

But as they had been injected for pmv I kept them separated from my own young bird team for 2 weeks, i add to hand feed 2 of them for a couple of days other than that I have no complaints at all with the health of them :) :)

[Guest Owen]

numpty01

you are right of course. I had an issue with a major supplier of goods to the sport and I was in the act of serving them with court papers to get my money back. I had already sent them legal letters and told them that I would take action as from a certain date. As soon as they realised that I was not kidding they sent the money back. Later, I posted the details of what had happened so that others could see what sort of service they were giving people. I was careful to stick to the facts and, of course, I had the paperwork to back up what I had said. If they had tried to take me on, they could not have won and they would have done themselves a lot of damage due to the adverse publicity.

If these studs, who have made a good living out of us for years, can not do their job properly, they deserve to be exposed. My advice would be, to make sure you record the evidence every step of the way. Photographs, wittnesses, letters and what ever infromation you may have. Then they become vulnerable because they would have to initiate court action, risk the damage done by the bad publicity and prove there case. I would say that the only way that these cheats can survive is by doing their business fairly and give good value for money. And if they can not or will not do that, goodbye. Go and sell cars or something.

[swilcox]

The thread wasnt put up to point fingers i was trying to assitain causes on sickness on young birds as we are all vulnerable to these things and the more we know the better, i mention the word stud as a few people have stated that its new birds to loft that have triggered the problems, it ofcourse may be that the desease is in the loft and new stock struggle with the different strains of desease.

 

[Guest numpty01]

The thread wasnt put up to point fingers i was trying to assitain causes on sickness on young birds as we are all vulnerable to these things and the more we know the better, i mention the word stud as a few people have stated that its new birds to loft that have triggered the problems, it ofcourse may be that the desease is in the loft and new stock struggle with the different strains of desease.and that is good point what maybe fine in youer loft may not be able to cope in another then the problems start and you cant understand why

 

 

[Guest]

 

:-/And

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

try reading part stewart never wrote ??///////   and that is good point what maybe fine in youer loft may not be able to cope in another then the problems start and you cant understand why

 

 

[Roland]

Agree Swilcox, no need to point fingers at all. Had off a renouned name just 6 y/b's. Sure looked and grew the part full stop.... then WWwwhoooooooooooossssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

crap it the fans... that was in 2006.... and sine then this is the first year - having treated immensely and over the top and got shot of so many birds .... that I have raised good healthy y/b's. New stock in now etc. of course all except  just the one!

So if truth, then I'm all for being warned to be careful of certain 'Places to Buy from'!

But you know, the sad reality is that any new birds to - day should be keep completely clear for a year and more from your own stock.... But then how could one race :-/ BECAUSE they may very well be infected, and become carriers from contamination in the race panniers!