natural yogurt

[blaz]

tub of strike is better in my opinion .

[peterpau]

Roland : You may well be right but ! I use live yoghurt and tiz slightly acidic, this acidifying the gut along with cider vinegar is why I use it. Works fine by me.

[Guest IB]

ive used nat youghrt for pheasant chicks. they luv it helps build there natural flora and fauna so to speak,cant see no reason why pigeons cant do the same,maybe shotgun tim can correct me here

 

Have posted on natural yoghurt on other threads, I started my birds on it after speaking to my vet about a natural probiotic following a course of antibiotics (one pigeon). He was of the opinion that it was as good as any.

 

With more birds, I moved on to FlightPath. But years later, the vet's opinion is backed-up by this extract from Gut Microflora – Digestive Physiology and Pathology ISBN 207420-0585-4 :-

 

Extract Chapter 3 (by Philippe Marteau) Pages 42 – 47

 

Probiotics are living bacteria or yeast, present in certain foods, particularly fermented dairy products. They participate in their production, or have been added to them or medicinal products. The number of living microorganisms in each product is often greater than 10,000,000.

 

The majority of studies have described the survival of probiotics in the gut. The active substances are still unknown, except for the lactase enzyme contained in the yogurt bacteria.

 

Probiotic examples in supplements or medical products:-

 

Bifidobacterium lactis

Bifidobacterium animalis

Lactobacillus rhamnosus

Lactobacillus johnsonii

Lactobacillus casei

Lactobacillus casei shirota

Lactobacillus salivarius

Lactobacillus reuteri

Enterococcus faecium

Escherichia coli Nissle 1917 (non-pathogenic e-coli)

Saccharomyces boulardii  (a yeast)

 

Survival and colonization of probiotics in the gut.  

 

Survival differs according to species and strain. Some are destroyed as soon as they pass into the stomach, while others survive to be recovered in faeces. The yogurt bacteria  Lactobacillus delbruekii bulgaricus and Streptococcus thrmophilus have low tolerance to acid and are destroyed within a few minutes. The stomach has a Ph of  1.

 

A count of 100,000 - a viable concentration of starter bacteria - has been observed in the small intestine (survivors from 10,000,000 eaten in 430g of yogurt). Lactococcus lactis had a low survival there because of low tolerance to acid and bile.  Some  Bifidobacteria and Lactobacillus plantarum NCIB 8826 eaten in yogurt,  have a significant rate of survival in faeces with faecal concentrations greater than 100,000,000 per gram. Lactobacillus acidophilus, reuteri, and  rhamnosus faecal concentrations were 1,000,000 per gram. In humans, 1 gram a day of Saccharomyces boulardii  faecal concentrations were 100,000 per gram.

 

Probiotics are usually excreted in faeces a few days after they are eaten. Some colonization of the gut lining has been observed. The concentrations of microorganisms passing through the gut after a probiotic are often as large as those seen during chronic bacterial infection.  

 

So how do they work?

 

It is still not fully understood. Probiotics share one thing only in common – they are all non-pathogenic. In all other respects they differ considerably from one another. In diverse clinical cases, in both humans and animals, they have been demonstrated to have significant multiple, direct beneficial effects. Several have direct beneficial effects on the gut mucous lining. Many animal studies have found oral probiotic administration could modulate the gut wall immune barrier and / or the systemic immune barrier, in particular the ingestion of very high quantities of yogurt bacteria.

 

 

[Roland]

From the pigeon Vet:

  There is a lot of useful information there but it's for the human intestine.  Organisms that are selected for use in the intestines of pigs are derived from pigs, those for birds from the intestines of birds and so on.  For pigeons I believe firmly that we need to use an avian-source probiotic.  I think Flight Path is one of these, and I've longed to try it in my birds, however it's not available in *******.  So I use PrimaLac, an avian-derived group of organisms.  This product is now available in the UK from Dave Hawkins of Yorkshire in partnership with Mark Evans also of Yorkshire.

[VAGIN]

try adding an egg to your birds mix one hens egg to 1kg of food then feed straight away

Is that fried /boiled /or scrambled

 

[Guest]

try adding an egg to your birds mix one hens egg to 1kg of food then feed straight away

 

Would that be a raw egg, or hard boiled and mashed and mixed with the corn. I use egg biscuit, (the kind you feed canaries when breeding), when my birds are feeding youngsters.