Guest kev d Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 well folks i want your honest opinions on this when it comes to treatments i try not to give them any thing what so ever but these last few seasons my birds are missing that extra few yards coming but not good enough ? i was talking to albear tonight about it and alan tells me the truth ,he thinks i should treat them for canker and fungel treatment on a regular basis with treating them for this do you think it will improve there performance , i will do this next season and see what happens , so come on be truthfull treat or not to treat , but no nasty comments please keep it sivel, cheers kev
Guest mick bowler Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 well if you think its a health issue why your birds not performing and if you wish to be competitive you have no choice.
Guest bigda Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 why did you not listen to the man, have you nothng between the ears
Guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 well folks i want your honest opinions on this when it comes to treatments i try not to give them any thing what so ever but these last few seasons my birds are missing that extra few yards coming but not good enough ? i was talking to albear tonight about it and alan tells me the truth ,he thinks i should treat them for canker and fungel treatment on a regular basis with treating them for this do you think it will improve there performance , i will do this next season and see what happens , so come on be truthfull treat or not to treat , but no nasty comments please keep it sivel, cheers kev I would stick to what you believe is right for you mate,i also treat for nothing and will continue to do so.If you look back a couple of months in the bhw there is an article on one of Scotland's/Britain's best distance flyer's Jim Donaldson from Peterhead in this article he states that he did not treat but after some time decided to change and started treating the worst decision he ever made.So he reverted back to not treating and just look at the mans results phenomenal,you might be able to read the article on the elimarpigeons site,so i would recommend you read the article. Because i know who i would be influenced by on this issue.
flyingteessider Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 they must get the paramoxy jab do they
Guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 they must get the paramoxy jab do they Yes but that's all.
Guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Jim Donaldson report part 2 elimarpigeons,have all use treaters read it,food for thought i would think. ;)
Guest numpty01 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 leave them alone why pump them full crud look at food exercise and minerals not drugsif you want speed um up get wormer from vets give it them on thurs then race fri but dont exspect um to last cancker if and only if they have it :-/ :-/ :-/
flyingteessider Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 my birds are abit down at the minute after training i put a thread on here and got some good advice so i had them to the vets today had dropping samples done ,they are on antibiotics now ill miss the 1st race but could have lost my full race team i asked for help and got it i acted and should be all right now with (treatment) thanks to some well educated men on pigeon basics the moral is if they need treatment then they need it
Guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 leave them alone why pump them full crud look at food exercise and minerals not drugsif you want speed um up get wormer from vets give it them on thurs then race fri but dont exspect um to last cancker if and only if they have it :-/ :-/ :-/ Natural resistance for canker,if they get it dispose of them.If the old birds are free from it ,the probability of the young ones getting it is reduced.
Guest numpty01 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 treat and condem them to life of medication in my view
Guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 treat and condem them to life of medication in my view Exactly mate.
Guest karl adams Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 get dropping tested then if they need treating then treat
Guest numpty01 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 belg flyers use that much stuff the birds never see fresh water my mate was the same but 3 years his birds were finished
flyingteessider Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 this is why pigeon racing is head n tales above any thing else everyones opinion is different about just about every thing and it all makes sence
Guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Well let me come in and explain a bit more what I was saying to Kev and as Kev knows I always try and be honest and help, never destructive. Firstly Kev has what I would judge to be some good pigeons, they aren't rubbish. This year Kev has been fortunate in having someone train his birds for him when ever Kev wanted so Kevs birds are road fit (and handled well not overworked). But Kev's performances have not been what they should be, we fly in the same section of the NFC and Kev flies to the next town about 5 mile (?) north of me. Kev is a working man with a young family who works his socks off for his family. It ain't easy I'm sure to finance his birds, I think it can be demoralising when you work so hard with family and birds for the birds to dissapoint. The likes of Kev are the backbone of the sport, he's the type of fancier we can ill afford to lose but we are losing them. Why? Well there's many well intentioned (like me) that come on and say don't treat it will be the end of you! Well with respect what are you all saying, carry on Kev, your birds won't be full of anti biotics but you'll be propping up the sheet every week? Rose , you've been a top top loft something I'm aimimg to emulate over the next decade, if you have a system that will improve Kev's performances without him using some treatments then please let him know it (me too!! please). I don't think its right or fair to say cary on regardless. I'm suggesting to Kev two main treatments, canker evry couple of months and anti fungal prior to racing and possibly if necessary once during racing, that to me is not anti biotic abuse. But whilst we are on the subject I would in the off season treat for salmanella , vaccinate for paratyphoid, treat for worms and coccidiosis and before racing give a respiritory treatment, but I did not suggest any of these to Kev. My aim was too help (and I hope that does not sound patronising)because often people will not help each other, it takes a friend at times to say things that others wouldn't say. By the way as to immunity against canker, I find that hard to comprehend though I do emember Peter Van Eijerdn did this, he nearly got wiped out but he was lucky he had some perfect specimens in his loft with great constitutions, not many of us have such pigeons, though I have no doubt Donaldson has them , they must be brilliant doos.
Guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Sory a few other points I forgot to mention. Kev's birds appear in perfect health, they are not 'sick' pigeons, hope I haven't given that impression. But fungal infection for example is invisible there are no signs as is the case with several types of canker. Also I'm talking about OB, YB are slightly different as Kev said to me he had culled some YB , me too you will have some Yb that appear sickly and are behind their peers, they are now culled in my loft ten years ago I would have treated them with kid gloves. The best birds rarely get ill (but do get fungal infections!!).
jimmy_bulger Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 check your ventilation in your loft is right 1st .
Guest slugmonkey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 I do both during racing, off season I give nothing except a little cider vinegar, and LOTS of open hole and some occasional probiotics !!! during racing I give lots of health supplements followed by resp medication every 4th week I give canker if its a easy week I might skip med but never the supplements as far as canker in my breeders I havent gave anything except occasional cider vinegar I havent treated breeders for anything in 4 years I brought in some imports ( Belg ) and they picked up something in quarintine it was running rampant I treated with 10 days of bayatril and havent gave anything in breeding pen for 4 years now I am topping my club every week ( this year I won a race every week ) and have a couple of other guys I have been helping winning races as well YOU HAVE TO USE A LITTLE COMMON SENSE !!!!
Guest bigjohnwadd Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Well slugmonkey,if you think giving your birds open hole during the winteris common sense,try it here Emgland nowadays,and any birds you may still have left alive after the beating from non stop hawk attacks will be to scared to even venture out the loft,let alone fly,so please tell me in all your typical yank wisdom what`s the answer wiseguy.
Guest bigjohnwadd Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Opoligy to kev for highjack his post.sorry but idiots like slugmonkey make me angry,if he knew what many fanciers have to face,day after day,he would not be so self righteous
just ask me Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 slug monkey is giving advice as best he can he hasn't insulted anyone i would ask u not to insult anyone and maybe throw in your own advice instead of criticizing others
greenlands Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 check your ventilation in your loft is right 1st . Agree with you there Jimmy,done a little alteration to my young bird loft and they've changed for the better,it's a pleasure watching them in the sky.IMO.In this day and age I'm affraid that treatment is a part of racing pigeons,there are not many pigeon reach a ripe old age these days,saying that you always get the odd one or two but of the thousands bred the percentage as got to be very low.Some people are lucky for some reason and seem to keep clear of ailments maybe they have a secret and maybe they have a secret and don't know it,whatever it is please feel free to pm me.Lindsay
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