YOUNG BIRD SICKNESS

[flyingteessider]

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then if there still carrying then the statement "only pigeons that are 100% fit and healthy will win races"does not apply then

 

your saying you had ybs annd won races in the same season we have 9 young bird races to have that sickness and win races in the space of nine weeks is some going even if they had it earlier in the season would put you miles behind people in my club spend ther lives in ther loft, for me a novice to have a desease of that scale and in the same season baskett my birds with thers is unthinkable im afraid

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then if there still carrying then the statement "only pigeons that are 100% fit and healthy will win races"does not apply then

 

your saying you had ybs annd won races in the same season we have 9 young bird races to have that sickness and win races in the space of nine weeks is some going even if they had it earlier in the season would put you miles behind people in my club spend ther lives in ther loft, for me a novice to have a desease of that scale and in the same season baskett my birds with thers is unthinkable im afraid

was that to me mate?

 

 

[aye ready]

in my view cameron too many fanciers didn't serve their "time" with the doos i've been around the doos since i started the school and there's fanciers coming into the game now who just wan't to add water and get instant success with van this and van that' ther not like a car you just can't add petrol and make them go they take a lot of looking after and ps i don't finish work till 6 and i get fed at 9 after the doo's are sorted

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in my view cameron too many fanciers didn't serve their "time" with the doos i've been around the doos since i started the school and there's fanciers coming into the game now who just wan't to add water and get instant success with van this and van that' ther not like a car you just can't add petrol and make them go they take a lot of looking after and ps i don't finish work till 6 and i get fed at 9 after the doo's are sorted

bang on i spent a 3 days with two vets with birds not only pigeons at that and it nearly turned me off racing pigeons for life the looking after is un real and yes they medicate them but christ were there birds a joy to look at you only get out what you put in its that simply.

 

 

[aye ready]

no mate not at all the birds immune system will build its self and keep the virus at bay but he can certainly pass it on to young he breeds .

 

 

can't argue with you but all i can say is i've bred young birds for fanciers out of my race team who i can safely say have all had y/b sness and guess what "they never get it" (smarty2)

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can't argue with you but all i can say is i've bred young birds for fanciers out of my race team who i can safely say have all had y/b sness and guess what "they never get it" (smarty2)

well then was it ybs or your guess it was mate see thats were the problem is anyone that sees a young bird vomite or hold food or fluff up straight away think there birds have the virus when all it could be is a minor bactira infection?

 

 

[aye ready]

well then was it ybs or your guess it was mate see thats were the problem is anyone that sees a young bird vomite or hold food or fluff up straight away think there birds have the virus when all it could be is a minor bactira infection?

 

 

when you've had young bird sickness as often as i've had it mate then believe me i know what i'm looking for i've heard it all before "the parents are carriers.it's in the loft.my birds were flying with the boys across the road" and so on.I'ts an airborne virus and anyone can get it.and i deal with it the way i know how to end of

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when you've had young bird sickness as often as i've had it mate then believe me i know what i'm looking for i've heard it all before "the parents are carriers.it's in the loft.my birds were flying with the boys across the road" and so on.I'ts an airborne virus and anyone can get it.and i deal with it the way i know how to end of

if its airbourn why hasn the wild birds not being wiped out because they get the virus mate it can be stopped specially in your loft if you think its there im just trying to help here you can avoid this .

 

 

[Guest stb]

if its airbourn why hasn the wild birds not being wiped out because they get the virus mate it can be stopped specially in your loft if you think its there im just trying to help here you can avoid this .

 

To be fair on that one Ed the feral pigeon are greezy snotty looking things that

 

have every disease know to man  but never seem to die of or get wiped out ;)

 

 

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To be fair on that one Ed the feral pigeon are greezy snotty looking things that

 

have every disease know to man  but never seem to die of or get wiped out ;)andenco virus is spread to all sorts of birds dont think this only happens to pigeons lads its basically an aggressive bactiria infection and the more stressed the bird gets the more the immune system falls apart .

 

 

 

[Guest stb]

 

thats it ed the feral pigeons dont get stressed thats why they can live with all

 

the disease they have.

 

wonder what happend to the old days when you they had 24 old birds all flew to 500 mls

 

the 24 ybs flow the young bird programe and at the end they had to get rid of about 15 to 20

 

to get back down to the 12 pairs  with no treatment and very little disease.

 

Think we have made a rod for our own backs over the decades wih the quest for speed ;)

 

 

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thats it ed the feral pigeons dont get stressed thats why they can live with all

 

the disease they have.

 

wonder what happend to the old days when you they had 24 old birds all flew to 500 mls

 

the 24 ybs flow the young bird programe and at the end they had to get rid of about 15 to 20

 

to get back down to the 12 pairs  with no treatment and very little disease.

 

Think we have made a rod for our own backs over the decades wih the quest for speed ;)

 

we were only talking about the same thing tonight in the club lol my uncles were talking about when they had to travel to the mills and shovel the mazie off the ground and bag it in a sack no polished food back then and coming out of france for fashion we nearly have to buy the birds a plane ticket nowa days to get home  ;D ;D ;D whitenight on pigeon basics is a great man for any novice or topflyer to contact for lads with problems with there birds a gent .

 

 

[Guest]

surely stress only brings out somthing that is under lying anyway. going back 15 years before young bird sickness,  birds would get stressed but didnt come down with things like they do nowadays.

Your right, stress is the pre-cursor for the pre-existing virus laying relatively dormant in the pigeons system.  Good point on the 15 year ago difference, possible answer there is the weakening of the natural immune system of the YB by breeding or by husbandry including un-needed use of medication.  Some studies are going on with micro-biologists on the triggers and causes so one day you never know we might get the answer, until then people should concentrate on natural development of the immune system of their birds and stress reduction.  JMHO  

 

 

[Guest IB]

well then was it ybs or your guess it was mate see thats were the problem is anyone that sees a young bird vomite or hold food or fluff up straight away think there birds have the virus when all it could be is a minor bactira infection?

 

I think that's the root of the bother, folk calling what they have in their loft YBS. In my opinion, there is a world of difference between a bird being off colour and a team being down with full blown YBS. 'Off colour' isn't likely to be a virus and birds aren't likely to be winning races two weeks after a full-blown viral attack. Antibiotics don't cure viruses either. Full blown YBS is a syndrome that affects young & old birds, it start with a virus (adeno- or circo- depending on the illness) and in circovirus its part of the immune system thats destroyed, allowing multiple infections in the bird all at the same time:- canker, cocci, worms, e-colii, you name it, it's likely to be there. There's a paper posted on here on work with 7 Irish lofts that had it in 2007, it'll drop your jaw what was found in these birds, working on them at one and the same time.

 

Circovirus has been proved to go dormant and when parents with youngsters, flares up again infecting youngsters, setting up same cycle in the loft all over again.

 

And no, we don't treat youngsters the same as 40 years ago. Trained for a fortnight before racing, program was 5 races max, they were not trained during racing, but did the program. Bred 12, left with 9/10. Lots more stress for youngsters nowadays.

[GRAHAM MITCHELL]

I,m the secretary of my club and a few years ago i turned a members y.bs away on a Friday night as i had heard through the grapevine that they were unwell. It was obivious to me that he knew they were ill yet he was still wanting to send them. He had no consideration for others members birds which would have been in the same basket.

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I think that's the root of the bother, folk calling what they have in their loft YBS. In my opinion, there is a world of difference between a bird being off colour and a team being down with full blown YBS. 'Off colour' isn't likely to be a virus and birds aren't likely to be winning races two weeks after a full-blown viral attack. Antibiotics don't cure viruses either. Full blown YBS is a syndrome that affects young & old birds, it start with a virus (adeno- or circo- depending on the illness) and in circovirus its part of the immune system thats destroyed, allowing multiple infections in the bird all at the same time:- canker, cocci, worms, e-colii, you name it, it's likely to be there. There's a paper posted on here on work with 7 Irish lofts that had it in 2007, it'll drop your jaw what was found in these birds, working on them at one and the same time.

 

Circovirus has been proved to go dormant and when parents with youngsters, flares up again infecting youngsters, setting up same cycle in the loft all over again.

 

And no, we don't treat youngsters the same as 40 years ago. Trained for a fortnight before racing, program was 5 races max, they were not trained during racing, but did the program. Bred 12, left with 9/10. Lots more stress for youngsters nowadays.

if a man wins races two weeks after havin full blown ybs questions need to be asked of his competion mate 3 weeks befor the first young bird race my mate got it bad his birds will get there first race next week thats 2 months after he got it .

 

 

[Guest strapper]

my youngbirds got ill last season week b4 the racing started,i lost 4 and disposed of 26 latebreds in another loft...because they wouldnt have raced and it was evident they had it too.

i managed to race 3 youngbird races at the back end and didnt score in my 1st race....2nd race i was 1st 2nd 5th.club.13th and 36th fed..over 2000b

3rd race i was 1st 3rd and 4th club.. 7th and 18th fed over 1500b

 

if i had sent them when they wasnt right i would never have had many to start the season with..answer is...dont waste the birds because you think you have to send..wait till they are right and dont worry about the averages..enjoy the birds while you can...let the others worry about averages.

[holmsidelofts]

NO MATE I DON'T GET THE POINT MATE,IVE HAD YBS BUT NEVER HAD TO GIVE THEM ANY ANTIS,AND IF I DID I WOULD GET MY BIRDS TESTED LIKE I DO MY BREEDERS,GOOD HEALTHY PIGEONS BREED GOOD HEALTHY BIRDS,I BROUGHT IN YOUNG BIRD SICKNESS WHEN I HAD IT

 

 

What part of get them seen by a vet dont you understand, if you bothered to read it properly you would have seen that, I do not condone use of antibiotics unless you have seen a qualified vet first, I have a very good qualified pigeon vet that i use and when i had ybs thats what was percribed and my birds got over the sickness very quickly. so ytou are telling me you are more qualified to give advice than my vet. Get real you muppet.

[Guest numpty01]

well my cure for ybs is simple as they are weaned they go onto elderberry for the rest of their weaning process then twice a week in their water i have no problem with it nor do others useing the same ???why?????

[Guest strapper]

well my cure for ybs is simple as they are weaned they go onto elderberry for the rest of their weaning process then twice a week in their water i have no problem with it nor do others useing the same ???why?????

 

welcome back chris m8

[Guest strapper]

well my cure for ybs is simple as they are weaned they go onto elderberry for the rest of their weaning process then twice a week in their water i have no problem with it nor do others useing the same ???why?????

 

you see blackbirds/thrushes/wood pigeons eating these berries..do they know something we dont... are we just understanding to copy nature....how do you prepare ithris b4 giving to the birds?

[Guest numpty01]

bryan withy had two gallons of me he had no problem and he has hundreds birds in his loft stressed to buggary i would think ????thanks paul ????to many medications that dont work to many rubbish birds being brought over here that cant cope natural is the best thats my view

[Guest strapper]

bryan withy had two gallons of me he had no problem and he has hundreds birds in his loft stressed to buggary i would think ????thanks paul ????to many medications that dont work to many rubbish birds being brought over here that cant cope natural is the best thats my view

 

thought ud been away chris?...so was the belief on here

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

have been you been sleeping was on when i came back and yesterday  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dbeen slumming it and had nice rest

[Guest numpty01]

Lot used to use the elderberries once used to give it to my birds dont know whether it really works or not but you see plenty of the wild birds eating them   Still think there are too many who treat there birds and think because they have they are ready to race again and not enough time is given between treating and racinng for the birds to recover  I always been under the impression if you treat you often are breaking down the birds immune system it kills what you want to get rid of but it also kills the good bacteria and until a bird has had time to build this back up again the birds not fit to race as it is likely to pick up anything going

yes spot on rose my mate is going to find that out cos after a week his lot all 56 off them are jumed to 100plus as they were sick but hy he wont listen