Paramyxo outbreak

[paul10121968]

 

paul next season bring your vaccine and birds to my house.....ill vaccinate them free of charge m8...you know where i live

 

i will take you up on that offer paul,if there is a next season.i,m really angry as i feel that a year of breeding,training,team building has all been for nothing.they really have got some explaining to do,because at the moment i am blaming them for not vaccinating my birds correctly.i cant think of any other reason why this has happened.

[Guest]

 

vaccinations were provided by marr,morris and kay locally known as fields veternary service.i will be contacting them tommorow to find out exactly what they used,i have certificates  off them,but it appears they are worthless because as i have now discovered it did not work and i am very upset about it.

sorry to hear youve had so many problems ,dont get yourself into trouble ,get them into trouble yes. at least ,for the future all will be well (Paul) strapper will help you out .           andy.

 

 

[ch pied]

ive always had probs with youngbirds...this year for the very 1st time...touch wood....ive had no probs.

be it fortunate or luck...its happened.

 

1 sure thing ive done i havent done b4...vaccinated youngbirds soon after parting them from the parents...maybe no more than 14 days after.

also havent rushed them into training and racing....not saying this is it...just an observation.

i vacc in the nest at 14 -16 day's then again 6 week's later , just to be safe , some might think it to early , & no need for the doubble vacc , but i have never lost a y/bird doing this .

 

 

[pjc]

Will be interesting to hear what the vet has to say when you tell them its been confirmed by DEFRA!

[just ask me]

i vacc in the nest at 14 -16 day's then again 6 week's later , just to be safe , some might think it to early , & no need for the doubble vacc , but i have never lost a y/bird doing this .

 

 

same as me  

[Guest strapper]

it would be interesting to see who has vaccinated with what vaccine and who had probs such as this.?

[Guest]

it would be interesting to see who has vaccinated with what vaccine and who had probs such as this.?

would also be interesting to find WHO vaccinated youre birds some-one with knowledge of birds or some-one who knew nothing about them ..... like vets??   andy.

 

 

[Guest youngzimmy]

IF YOU SPOT ONE ILL OR OUT OF SORTS GET IT OUT OF THERE RIGHT AWAY I HAVE A SEPERATE LOFT WITH A LARGE PANIER I US FOR HOSPITALISATION WELL AWAY FROM  ALL THE OTHER BIRDS WHEN I GO INTO MY LOFTS I LOOK AND LISTEN CAREFULLY LOOKING AND LISTENING FOR THE SLIGHTEST PROBLEM IT IS WORTH IT AT THE END OF THE DAY GOOD LUCK CURING YOUR PROBLEM

[paul10121968]

hello.my birds have now been examined by the vets who vaccinated them,funny thing as soon as i mentioned defra were involved they were here in a flash,knocking on my door at 9.00am this morning.according to the tests that have so far been carried out on 8 birds,3 have the paramixo virus present in their blood but they also have the antibody present as well which is why they are only displaying mild symptoms of the disease.which means that their immune systems have been weakened substantially, allowing  other viruses to multiply(ie cocci etc).at this stage i have been told not to cull the affected birds as most of them will return to health and retain their sense of direction.the aim now is not to cure them but to help them overcome the disease.i must stress that no nervous disorders are present at this time only very loose droppings.the next thing now is to determine how the birds became affected.they have not been raced this season so i am assuming that the pmv virus was transmitted by one of the strays that have visited recently.i have reported 12 strays this season,10 have been picked up by their owners and 2 are awaiting their owners response.defra have taken the details of each of the reported birds owners i am assuming to do checks on these lofts also.it turns out that my birds were vaccinated correctly by the vets who did them which is why their symptoms are mild.all i can do now is wait and see what happens.culling is not neccesary at this stage.defra have told me that it would be a mistake to cull healthy valuable birds.

[pigeonpete]

so sorry to hear of your problem mate, i feel for you, keep your chin up best you can. :-)

[paul10121968]

another piece of information that i beleive is prudent to mention. the defra advisor told me that vaccinating your birds for pmv does not prevent them from catching the disease it only helps them to overcome it when they do catch it,the rest is down to the general fitness and health of the bird itself.so it turns out that they were vaccinated correctly which is why they have not all keeled over and are only displaying mild symptoms of the disease.

[paul10121968]

so sorry to hear of your problem mate, i feel for you, keep your chin up best you can. :-)

 

i,m dedicated to helping them recover.dont worry i wont give up,not after all the hard work that has gone into building the team.

[pigeonpete]

 

i,m dedicated to helping them recover.dont worry i wont give up,not after all the hard work that has gone into building the team.

 

Glad to hear it mate, had paratyphoid 3 years ago!! they had to go im afraid, only started late 2005 aswell. but keep on plodding mate :-)

[Guest strapper]

i think quick action is needed in any case of illness....im glad paul now has a better piece of mind over this...

thanks for the pms all who have done so to me..i do try to answer them all.

[paul10121968]

hello.here is an update on my first week copeing with pmv.of the 8 birds originally affected(3old birds and 5 late breds)all are on the road to recovery,5 are now doing what i like to call monster turds and are no longer "squirting"the other 3 still have loose droppings but are now a slimy green colour.the rest of my birds are unaffected.i beleive that all these birds are going to make a full recovery and im so glad that i did not cull them as 2 were very expensive.none have displayed the nervous twisty thing.its all moving in the right direction.keeping my fingers crossed.

[Guest strapper]

hello.here is an update on my first week copeing with pmv.of the 8 birds originally affected(3old birds and 5 late breds)all are on the road to recovery,5 are now doing what i like to call monster turds and are no longer "squirting"the other 3 still have loose droppings but are now a slimy green colour.the rest of my birds are unaffected.i beleive that all these birds are going to make a full recovery and im so glad that i did not cull them as 2 were very expensive.none have displayed the nervous twisty thing.its all moving in the right direction.keeping my fingers crossed.

 

glad to hear it paul m8

[gd]

hello.here is an update on my first week copeing with pmv.of the 8 birds originally affected(3old birds and 5 late breds)all are on the road to recovery,5 are now doing what i like to call monster turds and are no longer "squirting"the other 3 still have loose droppings but are now a slimy green colour.the rest of my birds are unaffected.i beleive that all these birds are going to make a full recovery and im so glad that i did not cull them as 2 were very expensive.none have displayed the nervous twisty thing.its all moving in the right direction.keeping my fingers crossed.

 

glad to see you're getting it sorted - out of interest what treatment has been prescribed??

 

 

[blackdog]

yeh paul, very interested to know to mate.

[Guest strapper]

one medication which may have been given is one to kick the kidneys back into action...the kidneys can start to fail while birds are ill....or on the other hand ,can momentary fail due to the high level of medication given.

especially if on different medications at once.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Freebird]

another piece of information that i beleive is prudent to mention. the defra advisor told me that vaccinating your birds for pmv does not prevent them from catching the disease it only helps them to overcome it when they do catch it,the rest is down to the general fitness and health of the bird itself.so it turns out that they were vaccinated correctly which is why they have not all keeled over and are only displaying mild symptoms of the disease.

 

Well done for keeping us informed as so many just ask advice then disapear. This is how we learn without actually having to go through the torment with no knowledge. Good luck and thanks for the info.

 

[bruno1]

Ive altered the Title to Paramyxo outbreak. There is valuable information for others in the thread on this disease.

[paul10121968]

yeh paul, very interested to know to mate.

 

the only meds they are receiving are electrolytes in the drinking water to rehydrate them and they are also having vitamins a,b and c to give their immune systems a little boost.this is being given on the advice of the vets who are treating them for me.its only a mild out break but pmv is pmv,so i am keeping a very close eye on things.the fact that they had been vaccinated has probably stopped a major outbreak and loads of deaths.

[paul10121968]

one medication which may have been given is one to kick the kidneys back into action...the kidneys can start to fail while birds are ill....or on the other hand ,can momentary fail due to the high level of medication given.

especially if on different medications at once.

 

 

that is correct paul,because of the strain on the birds internal organs while they are fighting the disease,to much medication can push things the other way.plus the fact that there is no quickfire cure for this disease.but i am seeing a definate improvement every day,there is only one bird that has loose droppings now and the others who came down with it are eating well again and seem generally happy in themselves.no other birds are showing symptoms.my defra advisor also told me that recent outbreaks that he has seen have been less severe than when the disease first got its grip in 1984.this could be a sign that our birds are becoming more resistant to the disease and that vaccination is working.we can but hope.

 

 

 

 

[blackdog]

 

the only meds they are receiving are electrolytes in the drinking water to rehydrate them and they are also having vitamins a,b and c to give their immune systems a little boost.this is being given on the advice of the vets who are treating them for me.its only a mild out break but pmv is pmv,so i am keeping a very close eye on things.the fact that they had been vaccinated has probably stopped a major outbreak and loads of deaths.

 

thanks paul.

 

 

[Guest bigda]

like this paul