Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG

[Skull Lofts]

Hi all

 

Wil the above be beneficial to pigeons?

 

Skull

[Guest]

Hi all

 

Wil the above be beneficial to pigeons?

 

Skull

read the title , thought we had a new member from the Philipines?? what on earth is it ??                         andy.

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Hi all

 

Wil the above be beneficial to pigeons?

 

Skull

 

a lot of pro biotics are good for birds

[showman]

Hi all

 

Wil the above be beneficial to pigeons?

 

Skull

 

Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG has been discovered to be pathogenic in certain circumstances

[dwh]

try magic good stuff and very economical entrodex is also v good

[Guest IB]

This is one of the 'good bacteria' strains included in Australian Pigeon Company's probiotic. Other research proves it is acid-tolerant enough to survive the pigeon's glandular stomach acid, sufficient to colonise gut.

 

Note what has been said about it being a pathogen, but following the Wiki link shows it was implicated in an infection of the membrane lining the heart. Not the strain that was the problem ~ even 'good bacteria' are dangerous when they get outside the gut into the body ~ there must have been another illness present which allowed bacteria to cross the gut wall barrier and get into the bloodstream.

[Albear]

Now then Ian academically I always come second to you (hated bloody school made to do my A's but the 6th form was fantastic 12 lessons a week and used to go in my rugby /football kit to those!) but isn't lactibaciluus (speling) the base problem with ulcers??

[jimmy white]

actimal yogurt contains this    lacti,,,lactiibb.. lactibacillus ;D [ i cheated ,, looked up internet ;D ;D ;D,, supposed to be good for the gut

[Albear]

Jimmy what I was thinking of was completley different came back to me Helicobacter pylori... they usedto have ops to close up the 'holes' in the stoach lining of ulcers my dad had some nasty ones , he had duldena ('breeding ones'), however some brilliant oz docs found that the route cause was a bacteria (as above) and they found prescribing anti biotics didn't work, until they gave two different types of anti biotic and bingo!! Ulcer treatment is now completley different

[jimmy white]

Jimmy what I was thinking of was completley different came back to me Helicobacter pylori... they usedto have ops to close up the 'holes' in the stoach lining of ulcers my dad had some nasty ones , he had duldena ('breeding ones'), however some brilliant oz docs found that the route cause was a bacteria (as above) and they found prescribing anti biotics didn't work, until they gave two different types of anti biotic and bingo!! Ulcer treatment is now completley different

 

never heard of that one alan,, but would imagine you would be right, , i know that other word [not even going to try and spell   it ;D is in actimel yogurt , which can at least settle the gut, if bothered with stomach trouble, but as you say, there are far more modern methods now in treating ulcers,, i just wish they would make these words smaller [for us scholars ;D ;D]

[Guest IB]

Now then Ian academically I always come second to you (hated bloody school made to do my A's but the 6th form was fantastic 12 lessons a week and used to go in my rugby /football kit to those!) but isn't lactibaciluus (speling) the base problem with ulcers??

 

Seen your later posts Alan and know you've since corrected this one. Two points.

 

Had a mate at work who suffered terribly from 'stomach' ulcers. Always thought until then that these were 'blister' type things, but as you say, they are holes right through the small gut. He'd several treatments all failed except the last one which put a smile back on his face - new treatment, akin to false skin, which sealed these holes.

 

Lactobacteria are one of the 'friendly' types of bacteria which colonise the gut of all animals and birds, ourselves included. Humans pass their own weight in these gut bacteria every year, so that tells you theres tens of billions of them, inside & outside, and in the faeces. The immune system knows that they are present, and provided they do their task well [that is better than another species, or they will be replaced by that species, with help from the body] and are where they are supposed to be, they become part of the immune system and will not be attacked by it.

 

As well as helping digest food, they secrete antibiotics which kill other bacteria. So together act a bit like the two antibiotics which together did the healing job for your dad, where only one had failed. For me, giving a probiotic is like giving a whole range of natural antibiotics at the one time, without the side effects you get with medication.

[Roland]

This is what Dc. Karl Franks said on the Alberta Classic site...............

Quote 'This sounds like one of the various lactobacilli that are present in various probiotic mixtures. The general consensus is to have as large a variety of beneficial micro-organisms in these mixtures as possible. The GIT should resemble the "United Nations General Assembly" and have every possible niche occupied in order to prevent a pathogenic micro-organism from being able to build a "home". ...end of quote