Medicines

[budgie]

Do we fanciers know to much about Pharmaceutical Products and not enough about pigeons.It appears that when talking to various fanciers that a lot of the problems stem from pigeons that are incomers which have latent diseases (Carriers)which dont harm themselves but infect others.We had a hen some years ago who scored in 4 SNFC races ,she never left any pigeons that could finish the young bird program, was paired with 4 different Cocks and they also went down.On further investigation it was confirmed that she was a carrier.( of Canker. )

[OLDYELLOW]

Do we fanciers know to much about Pharmaceutical Products and not enough about pigeons.It appears that when talking to various fanciers that a lot of the problems stem from pigeons that are incomers which have latent diseases (Carriers)which dont harm themselves but infect others.We had a hen some years ago who scored in 4 SNFC races ,she never left any pigeons that could finish the young bird program, was paired with 4 different Cocks and they also went down.On further investigation it was confirmed that she was a carrier.( of Canker. )

 

all pigeons have canker , albeit need to have high numbers to be of any problem , that certainly wouldnt make the ofspring no good  :-/

[Novice]

I think we don't actually know enough and should always seek medical advice.

Like you I had a hen which topped the federation from 500 miles on 2 occasions.

Very few of her young ever passed the weaning stage.

They all had yellow growths inside the mouth.

I assumed canker but took one of them to SAC at Auchincruive.

PM examination said the youngster was suffering from "Inclusion Body Hepititis caused by a Herpes Virus". It was felt this was transmitted from a parent.

The inference was that the mother (which had never had a days illness in her life) was a carrier.

[budgie]

 

all pigeons have canker , albeit need to have high numbers to be of any problem , that certainly wouldnt make the ofspring no good  :-/

Why would 2 of the Cocks go down which had previously scored prior to being paired with this Hen.

 

[Guest kev d]

don.t always believe what you see and read alot of it is total bull and fancy

wording dont be taken in by it .

good common sense and good all round knowledge of keeping pigeons keep it simple and keep away from

the pill box and let fresh air in your loft thats free you dont pay for that but make sure its dry inside .

[marmite]

never seemed to have all the diseases back in the sixties and seventys when i first started all they used to get was tic beans when my dad could afford them or corn and barley i got from the docks (lol nicked from silos) fresh water and grit in 10 yrs only had 1 bird go down sick which was disposed of straight away .  we never had all these forien imports that i feel have been propped up with all these so called medications and do we really know if they actually work . obviously  we feed better grains now but mainly i still just good fresh clean water clean feed and fresh grit and weed out any sickly birds which i havent had many . i dont clean out every day as i believe very strongly in natural immunity and plenty of fresh air  they survive perfectly well in the wild without bein locked up in closed lofts. jmo but i feel there is much to much medicatin goin on its gettin time for fanciers i feel to start going back to basics ie if they sick dispose of them and let the birds get there immune system to work. i know alot of u are not going to agree i dont want to start ne arguments as ive said its jmo of how i see the sport declining as in any new starters get told treat for this and treat for that and that puts them off right from the word go as alot cannot afford all these medications  jmo

[Guest kev d]

well said marmite , if they don,t want to listen let them get on spending there  money on cr-p they don,t need

ok im not a top flyer but i know my birds are as strong as a ox and dont need proping up with pills and potions

if there sick get rid and save your self some money JMO .

CHEERS KEV

[Guest grizzler]

totally agree with marmite and kev d...dont think theres anything better for your birds than a good strong immune system

[Guest strapper]

medications are not destroying pigeons health.....fanciers are destroying pigeons health....stop blaming medications...the pigeons wont take them themselves..its fanciers who wrongly medicate at wrong dosages and over dose.

[REDCHEQHEN]

Why would 2 of the Cocks go down which had previously scored prior to being paired with this Hen.

 

I would say she was more likely to be a carrier of paratyphoid

[Guest kev d]

yes your right strapper how many times do we read on here with people saying give them this and that

with out fully knowing what there doing and what effect its having on the birds every ones a vet over night

or there mates have told them what to do , don,t get me wrong im not saying pills don,t work they do do

but i don,t want to use them only aa a last resort .

[dwh]

medications are not destroying pigeons health.....fanciers are destroying pigeons health....stop blaming medications...the pigeons wont take them themselves..its fanciers who wrongly medicate at wrong dosages and over dose.

 

right strapper if we all thought like that we still have plagues and epidemics its correct diagnosis and the use of medication

at the right time for cure and prevention

[gulkie]

Do we fanciers know to much about Pharmaceutical Products and not enough about pigeons.It appears that when talking to various fanciers that a lot of the problems stem from pigeons that are incomers which have latent diseases (Carriers)which dont harm themselves but infect others.We had a hen some years ago who scored in 4 SNFC races ,she never left any pigeons that could finish the young bird program, was paired with 4 different Cocks and they also went down.On further investigation it was confirmed that she was a carrier.( of Canker. )

hi andy

          what ever happend to clean water and good feed

the longer ur in the game the older fancers seem to resort

back to the basics.

1 thing i always treat for is canker [every 6 weeks]

 

                                                                             wullie g

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dwh]

hi andy

          what ever happend to clean water and good feed

the longer ur in the game the older fancers seem to resort

back to the basics.

1 thing i always treat for is canker [every 6 weeks]  

 

 

                                                                             wullie g

 

you move with the times or you go backwards medication does'nt  make your birds win its a tool that helpe the engine run right

 

 

 

 

 

 

[marmite]

what i was tryin to say strapper was back then there was not all these medications there is now and in my view the pigeons had a stronger constitution than they have now  without the use of medications.  yrs ago a pregnant woman was told to eat eggs and and basically what they want but now there told dont eat this and that but does it make babies any stronger or better the answer no .  a pigeon with a strong immune system and constitution will breed strong pigeons  without the use of medications which can and used blindly cost a fortune and  completly ruin a pigeons immune system and constitution jmo for what its worth just to add maybe its because im old school had pigeons since i was 6 and i would say ive prob only has about 10 sick birds in 45 yrs in pigeons im not gonna change now and start reachin for potions and lotions now.  

[dwh]

what i was tryin to say strapper was back then there was not all these medications there is now and in my view the pigeons had a stronger constitution than they have now  without the use of medications.  yrs ago a pregnant woman was told to eat eggs and and basically what they want but now there told dont eat this and that but does it make babies any stronger or better the answer no .  a pigeon with a strong immune system and constitution will breed strong pigeons  without the use of medications which can and used blindly cost a fortune and  completly ruin a pigeons immune system and constitution jmo for what its worth just to add maybe its because im old school had pigeons since i was 6 and i would say ive prob only has about 10 sick birds in 45 yrs in pigeons im not gonna change now and start reachin for potions and lotions now.  

 

just been curious marmite so you never treat your birds even when sick?

[owen101]

im only a new starter but i treat for cocci and canker

i do not use any other medicines

 

in the water i only ever use a few things

thats marmite, black molasses and fresh water

on the corn lemon juice and provit

[leighton1984]

if birds are not sick no need for medicine.

every one is a vet if you read some of the stuff that gets posted up.

 

poor loft

poor birds

poor management

 

some top pigeon men do not know much about medicine and they do not want know they only want the very best birds in there lofts birds that fly at the top of the race every week and birds that never get sick you can not make poor birds good birds by using drugs every week.

any bird can be sick once in its life but when you have to help it all the time they need killing.

i want birds that do not get stressed very easy and do not need any thing more to keep them healthy.

 

i do not think pigeon forums are the place to talk about drugs all the time but that's all you see every week.

 

[gangster]

wrong place to  post on an open forum...u aint never going to be on top when propping up your birds

[leighton1984]

wrong place to  post on an open forum...u aint never going to be on top when propping up your birds

 

spot on mick

[marmite]

when i get a odd bird thats sick i dispose of it immediatly  i have moved with the times abit and i use miltons sterilizer in the water and twice a week use a drop of cider vinegar but that is it  and i have to vaccinate once a yr thats law  tbh if i thought there was something really amiss in the loft i would send droppings away and treat as prescribed but as for adding bottles of this and that to water and feed no way would i waste my money on it. ive never had this yb sickness i dont clean them out from time there weaned into there loft till after yb racing finished  which is a bit earlier for me as i only race till the national with the bicc all yb hens go to national thats when i split up so they can settle into the moult . nope not many sick birds been here long

[dwh]

if birds are not sick no need for medicine.

every one is a vet if you read some of the stuff that gets posted up.

 

poor loft

poor birds

poor management

 

some top pigeon men do not know much about medicine and they do not want know they only want the very best birds in there lofts birds that fly at the top of the race every week and birds that never get sick you can not make poor birds good birds by using drugs every week.

any bird can be sick once in its life but when you have to help it all the time they need killing.

i want birds that do not get stressed very easy and do not need any thing more to keep them healthy.

 

i do not think pigeon forums are the place to talk about drugs all the time but that's all you see every week.

 

we not talking drug abuse we not talking weak and inferior pigeons we talking about correct and proper use of medication that cures and prevents  a TOP athlete from performing to its max not enhancing  or trying to replace correct and proper management of good pigeons

[PIGEON_MAN]

Do we fanciers know to much about Pharmaceutical Products and not enough about pigeons.It appears that when talking to various fanciers that a lot of the problems stem from pigeons that are incomers which have latent diseases (Carriers)which dont harm themselves but infect others.We had a hen some years ago who scored in 4 SNFC races ,she never left any pigeons that could finish the young bird program, was paired with 4 different Cocks and they also went down.On further investigation it was confirmed that she was a carrier.( of Canker. )

 

IMO being a carrier may not of had anything at all to do with the fact that her youngsters were no good,just because she was a good racer doesnt mean she will be a good breeder,IMO this is where a lot of fanciers make the same mistake.

[dwh]

 

IMO being a carrier may not of had anything at all to do with the fact that her youngsters were no good,just because she was a good racer doesnt mean she will be a good breeder,IMO this is where a lot of fanciers make the same mistake.

 

good point tony

[blackdog]

if birds are not sick no need for medicine.

every one is a vet if you read some of the stuff that gets posted up.

 

poor loft

poor birds

poor management

 

some top pigeon men do not know much about medicine and they do not want know they only want the very best birds in there lofts birds that fly at the top of the race every week and birds that never get sick you can not make poor birds good birds by using drugs every week.

any bird can be sick once in its life but when you have to help it all the time they need killing.

i want birds that do not get stressed very easy and do not need any thing more to keep them healthy.

 

i do not think pigeon forums are the place to talk about drugs all the time but that's all you see every week.

 

 

as i keep saying people, your birds are ok when in your own loft but as soon as they start to mix with others, ie, training and the race basket thats when you see all the nasties rearing there ugly heads so in my mind prevention is a lot better than cure plus a lot of top fanciers say they dont treat for this and that dont tell the truth because if they dont treat for prevention this day and age they wouldnt be at the top for long