Guest mick bowler Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Half trouble is fanciers were spoilt with Amtrak, and interlink before that. The cost was never really indicative of the work required, for Amtrak it was a case of generating extra revenue for vans already going depot to depot. I know a few Amtrak offices were Franchised and i know the one i used to deal with hated collecting and delivering birds and at one time refused to accept them, but Amtrak came down quite hard on them. When you consider in nearly 20 odd years the price has gone up 100% it seems a lot. But how much have wages, fuel, insurance and general tranport costs gone up in that time? Also see a post above about making a living, in my experience a lot of people expect to make a living then try to deny others a living. As a bonafide tradesman i have always appreciated that what you pay for is usually what you get. This thread has run its course IMO. either pay the money or jump in your car. I always been of the opinion if the bird not worth whatever it costs to send for it then it should not be in the basket, and if it means i have to pay more carriage than i used to when buying birds then it just means i buy less birds!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I was just stating flyincouriers@yahoo.com that one of the gripes was it would BE better if the courier was a Pigeon fancier, not that it was. Now many are still griping, even though some couriers ARE pigeon fanciers. Of course I take on board that a courier regardless whether a fancier or not. is more than capable of looking after and caring for the birds. No two ways about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 what all you couriers should just do is from jan2010 until april 2010 take a sicky go on holiday retire and let them all go fetch there birds themselves, That would be end of moaning, 30 to 40 quid only dumb and dumber would argue about that. get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 only a numb nut would want to courier birds, and not bother about there needs as defra would not allow them a license to deal with livestock :-/ :-/ and to use some flyby night character, is beyond belief arrange in advance if you can with a company who do the job with out the bragging 2 weeks notice will get your bird to or from its home to home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyin.couriers09 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I was just stating flyincouriers@yahoo.com that one of the gripes was it would BE better if the courier was a Pigeon fancier, not that it was. Now many are still griping, even though some couriers ARE pigeon fanciers. Of course I take on board that a courier regardless whether a fancier or not. is more than capable of looking after and caring for the birds. No two ways about that. I never meant what i said in any funny way or to upset anyone what i was trying to say is in my opinion to courier any item you need to have transport knowledge and to know how to operate some sort of transporting network otherwise you will end up in trouble. Like i have said before its not easy looking after birds especially pigeons as if one escapes there is no way of catching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyin.couriers09 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 only a numb nut would want to courier birds, and not bother about there needs as defra would not allow them a license to deal with livestock :-/ :-/ and to use some flyby night character, is beyond belief arrange in advance if you can with a company who do the job with out the bragging 2 weeks notice will get your bird to or from its home to home Your right Bigda but for alot of people 2 weeks is too long they want it done yesturday with some people mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Your right Bigda but for alot of people 2 weeks is too long they want it done yesturday with some people mate. yes thats where they have to pay attention, if getting birds pre-arrange with the courier of there choice, he would be able to work around there schedule better, and have a holding loft available or penned sections, and should he chose that courier then they know the drill bird could and would be held for 3-5 days if needed and as Chris said and it might make sense using a bike rider for long hall as traffic jams rarely effect them, so time is of the essence for both party's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyin.couriers09 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 yes thats where they have to pay attention, if getting birds pre-arrange with the courier of there choice, he would be able to work around there schedule better, and have a holding loft available or penned sections, and should he chose that courier then they know the drill bird could and would be held for 3-5 days if needed and as Chris said and it might make sense using a bike rider for long hall as traffic jams rarely effect them, so time is of the essence for both party's I never thought of using a bike you never see them stuck in traffic do you ;D ;D but how would you carry them and surely you wouldnt be able to carry many boxes ? Thats a good idea though i wouldnt do it myself as ive never bin on a bike i dont really like them but if you knew someone who enjoyed riding them especially long journeys your laughing mate. On the holding issue not alot of fanciers like the idea as we looked into it mate but again thats where if you are a fancier yourself comes into it as then you know what your doing when it comes to handling the birds and feeding them etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 if the birds not worth the cost of repatriation why bother breeding or racing it?????.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 if the birds not worth the cost of repatriation why bother breeding or racing it?????..........unfortunatly ganster you only find that out when it needs repatriated dont we, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 may be it was bred for PERCY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 unfortunatly ganster you only find that out when it needs repatriated dont we, quite correct... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 i think to be a courier u have to be a little mad no disrespect meant in all fairness if the bird is not worth the £30 or so to get him delivered well why breed him or buy him in the first place im not saying all the best birds are big money but think of the cost of feeding medication cost of petrol to train get to the club the list goes on and on and on as we all know surely if u are going to spend all this the bird is surely worth the fee to be delivered why take hours out of your day petrol money when these guys and girls (cant forget the girls ;D) will do it for noting i take my hats off to ya i know times are tough in all but lets be fair i know for young fanicers the fee may be hard to get but can the couriers do it any cheaper i think not i put this post on earlier gangster surely if your buying a bird or been lost its worth the few bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I never thought of using a bike you never see them stuck in traffic do you ;D ;D but how would you carry them and surely you wouldnt be able to carry many boxes ? Thats a good idea though i wouldnt do it myself as ive never bin on a bike i dont really like them but if you knew someone who enjoyed riding them especially long journeys your laughing mate. On the holding issue not alot of fanciers like the idea as we looked into it mate but again thats where if you are a fancier yourself comes into it as then you know what your doing when it comes to handling the birds and feeding them etc etc. Wasa time when baskets were put on Bikes. like the Butchers Bike front and rack at back .... used to take my dad's birds like that. An ole fella, great charactor did same tll recently when turning 70. As for Moter Bikes, Gary and such still do.... but doubt it would be cost efective regards as a Courier. Flyingcourier. no prob, was thinking along same lines a you... we just word it diferently lol ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest numpty01 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 wayne as to bikes being cost effective of coarse they are nothing gives you the milage per gallon like moterbike ?? anyone that has owned one will tell you that? now as to carrying birds on bike no problem a system can be made cheaple to bolt on a bike to carry 12 birds without effort or 16 at a push. and deliverd twice as fast as normal couier can do it even to scotland from here ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youngzimmy Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 HI numpty01 HAVE YOU GOT A GAS OVEN IF YAE AINT BUY ONE AND STICK YER BLETHERIN HEID IN IT LIT OR NO WILL DAE FIR ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest numpty01 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 HI numpty01 HAVE YOU GOT A GAS OVEN IF YAE AINT BUY ONE AND STICK YER BLETHERIN HEID IN IT LIT OR NO WILL DAE FIR MEsorry mate only got oil but will keep youer thoughts in my book for future referance ;D ;D ;Djust in case you forget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooscoo Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Flyingcourers09 you are 100 % right in the link up working, less miles on the road means less derv so you do get a life as well. All it takes is forming a co-op of drivers offer a co-op membership to all pigeon fanciers @£30 a head, what this does is pay the derv for every day of meeting guys who have there own patch. This is like how Amtrak started each depot having its own post coded area and never straying into anothers area of operation, it makes sense a southern guy meeting up with a guy from the north in Birmingham. If you act alone you will be chasing your tail forever as partners it makes sense too co-op together you all make something the biggest bonus is this 16hrs on the road is a killer, it might not happen today next week but it will at somepoint. If the vans are vented more types of livestock could be carried, 2 years ago the writing was on the wall for Amtak so I got out of selling white Garden Fantails just in time. Collect or birds dropped off at night drive too link location swap deliverys drop them PM, yes some will have more customers but its swings and roundabouts as they will also have more work both ways? If i could drive 250 miles a day i would do it as i have the ex-police dog van that is perfect for the job, my right foot swells up on long trips otherwise I would press this home. Trust in your mates form a co-op and make some more mates, co-op sounds just like the birds or work yourself into a grave covering the UK that has no long lasting gain for anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bakes Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 i used a courier for the first time other day when i bought a bird from valance loft sent him the money for bird and courier and was very happy with the service nice bloke that dropped the bird off was pigeoncourier.co.uk would use them again all the best bakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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