Succeeding At The Distance Budgie

[budgie]

How many years would it take you to succeed in breeding successive generations of Winners and where would you start.Do pigeon men who are heavily involved in in -breeding know where to get this magic Gene or are they just lucky with the Large Number of Pigeons they keep.

[ALF]

am just looking for wan:-)

[Guest stb-]

am just looking for wan:-)

 

well let me tell you theres hundreds of  WANS   in china      you may find wan on facebook

 

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[sammy]

 

well let me tell you theres hundreds of  WANS   in china      you may find wan on facebook

 

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

pmsl ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[pigeon55]

he might find the wrong wan

[Guest stb-]

he might find the wrong wan

 

any WAN will dae Alf ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[OLDYELLOW]

How many years would it take you to succeed in breeding successive generations of Winners and where would you start.Do pigeon men who are heavily involved in in -breeding know where to get this magic Gene or are they just lucky with the Large Number of Pigeons they keep.

 

should read a Jim Donaldsons pedigrees it would give you an  idea , states if you want to win a national buy birds that have won a national or around them   its ok saying you have winners its the ones that are passing there genes to next generations we need My mate had a young bird via Ken Anbys Pau winner crossed with two different pairings bred two cocks both won 3rd fed 420  miles Lerwick in turn i have had birds via the two 3rd fed winners, 1  yearling cock 3 x 3rds up to 524 miles , but if you read a Jim Donaldson pedigree it reads more like a who's who of Scottish national racing  

[budgie]

 

should read a Jim Donaldsons pedigrees it would give you an  idea , states if you want to win a national buy birds that have won a national or around them   its ok saying you have winners its the ones that are passing there genes to next generations we need My mate had a young bird via Ken Anbys Pau winner crossed with two different pairings bred two cocks both won 3rd fed 420  miles Lerwick in turn i have had birds via the two 3rd fed winners, 1  yearling cock 3 x 3rds up to 524 miles , but if you read a Jim Donaldson pedigree it reads more like a who's who of Scottish national racing  

Managed to purchase Jims pigeon in the Help our Heroes sale which is of his Double SNFC Sect winner. It will be interesting to see how it is bred.Thanks for your honest response.

 

 

[Guest stb-]

Managed to purchase Jims pigeon in the Help our Heroes sale which is of his Double SNFC Sect winner. It will be interesting to see how it is bred.Thanks for your honest response.

 

 

mind give us all a dek at it Budgie   , were all looking for the magic gene ;)

[OLDYELLOW]

 

mind give us all a dek at it Budgie   , were all looking for the magic gene ;)

 

have a Donaldson hen here ped full of big scottish winners

[Guest stb-]

 

have a Donaldson hen here ped full of big scottish winners

 

Post it up Mark   :)

[alec guinness]

How many years would it take you to succeed in breeding successive generations of Winners and where would you start.Do pigeon men who are heavily involved in in -breeding know where to get this magic Gene or are they just lucky with the Large Number of Pigeons they keep.

 

dont think it has much to do with luck budgie,great bloodlines, good system,health and top loft location,and yes i think there are fanciers who can turn up generations of winners ;)

[Guest stb-]

 

dont think it has much to do with luck budgie,great bloodlines, good system,health and top loft location,and yes i think there are fanciers who can turn up generations of winners ;)

 

Dont tell them that john they will all want to know :X :X    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[budgie]

When you also look at the Spanish Diploma of Merit Award winners within the British Barcelona club its the same names that appear time after time.Nae fancy potions here just guid hard working Doos that are Born Champions and in the Top 2%.

[Guest bakes]

got an kirkpatrick with parents and grand parents done all right in nfc snfc heres ped lines go back to john kirpatrick birds him self

 

 

[Guest ENDFLIGHT]

thats because it is the same names that compete year in year out jmo

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Post it up Mark   :)

 

ill get the secatary to get me it out tomorrow and ill email it to you

[Guest stb-]

 

ill get the secatary to get me it out tomorrow and ill email it to you

 

cheers Mark

[frank-123]

How many years would it take you to succeed in breeding successive generations of Winners and where would you start.Do pigeon men who are heavily involved in in -breeding know where to get this magic Gene or are they just lucky with the Large Number of Pigeons they keep.

 

seems like the guys at the top of the snfc have been there for a while stay there by swapping birds

there seems to be a few of them who swap very good birds for breeding

bought a pigeon at last years snfc sale on one side it had derek hay birds x with john hood birds back to jock allan of symington gifted another from gareth rankin which had jim hannahs and andrew deans birds in the line

 

so the magic gene remains in the swappers birds  in my opinion

 

 

 

[Guest IB]

I think there's no easy answer to this and I can only outline the plan I follow which is taken from an internet book 'Art of Breeding': start with best distance breeding you can obtain. Pair them up, and test progeny. (I split pairs after one year's breeding, swapping pair partners every year, testing their progeny, bring in fresh pigeons regularly, test progeny) ... until you find pairings that are throwing birds that are getting results that you want, then breed more off them ~ if you've still got them that is!!

 

Time? I think that depends on when you believe birds are mature enough for channel racing, e.g. one of my club mates who specialised in SCC channel racing reckons birds for Scottish channel races should be a minimum of 3 y-o, so that's 4 years needed to prove 1 test pairing. Another who was very consistent but has been quiet of late has also come to the same conclusion, after studying SNFC results sheets, and failing recently with 2 y-o's.  

[budgie]

How many years would it take you to succeed in breeding successive generations of Winners and where would you start.Do pigeon men who are heavily involved in in -breeding know where to get this magic Gene or are they just lucky with the Large Number of Pigeons they keep.

I was in Jim Cullens loft yesteday and he has got some fantastic winning Hens with this magic Gene which goes back to the early 80s.No luck here just a good Dooman with common sense and his records speak for themselves.

 

 

[jimmy white]

How many years would it take you to succeed in breeding successive generations of Winners and where would you start.Do pigeon men who are heavily involved in in -breeding know where to get this magic Gene or are they just lucky with the Large Number of Pigeons they keep.

 

if i can have my pennithworth budgie , i would say a very difficult question,,  

my veiw would be management would come first,

,, i,e if you were training the best distance in the world now, then  every day, untill july,, this great bird would be finished well b4 the big one [i use this as an exaggerated sample],,

by management i mean , obtaining the best long distance stock, breeding best to best, ridding the offspring  rubbish by sensible racing/training, waiting until the birds you think are capable, are mature birds, then at two years old, setting them up for these long distance races, making sure [again by management] that the bird is  conditioned to be in top form in july , by this time knowing its best nest condition, having the bird just casting its second flight,, with plenty fuel left in the bird for the job in hand

i do believe there are pigeon fanciers that are better than others at genetics /breeding etc,  some farmers seem to be good at this

, but when you see the same fanciers year in, year out, on nat results,, sending very few birds, ,, these are the guys that can fit the jigsaw better than others, they seem to have a" pigeon second sense" ,,, mcormack of wynchburgh was one of this type, never off a nat result in something like 20 odd years,, without sending massive teams, jim sanderson [  a farmer]pathead, winning nantes [600 miles] twice , also second,, is another  of many,  over the last many years

[jimmy white]

I was in Jim Cullens loft yesteday and he has got some fantastic winning Hens with this magic Gene which goes back to the early 80s.No luck here just a good Dooman with common sense and his records speak for themselves.

 

 

exactly what im trying to say ;D,, great fliers with the right management in knowing their own birds