Peckedhen Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Martinalison, the 16th November is on a Wednesday - well, it is on my calendar. Please can you check the date, I really want to go to this show - do people sell birds at these shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 EDINBURGH INTERNATIONAL SHOW FOR THE WAR BLINDED AT LINBURN WILL BE HELD ON SATURDAY 12TH & SUNDAY 13TH NOVEMBER AT THE BRUNTON HALLS,MUSSELBURGH. TRADE STANDS WELCOME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Peckedhen, The show used to be on the 3rd saturday of November,which would make it the 19th but I am sure they had to change it (caused a big row with the NPA).I used to be on the committee so finding the new date will not be a problem.I should see some of the present committee at the national homer show on the 16th of October. Yes there should be sale pens at the show,if not you can still arange to buy birds. Regards Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Thanks Andrew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinalison Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hi Peckedhen My mistake sorry,show date is Saturday 19th 2005. I will be there judging Show racers,if you require anymore help just get in touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webmaster Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Suggested 'Classes' Young Cock - Any Breed Young Hen - Any Breed Old Racing Cock - Racers Only Old Racing Hen - Racers Only Stock Cock - Any Breed Stock Hen - Any Breed Golden Oldies (birds 10 years or older) Channel Birds Cocks and Hens Grand Final - Winners from the previous classes. My ideas to run it. All photos to be sent to forum@pigeonbasic.com, and must have been taken within 7 days before the class starts (most cameras have a date function). Other than that, entries to remain anonymous until poll is finished (no voting for friends!), and open 7 days before the poll begins (email entry only). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy white Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 sounds good webmaster just need to get some dates arranged, and hopefully will get some nice photos, should be nice to look at, for all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showman Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Like the idea Webmaster, although unsure about classes. Having looked at the many postings on this forum, there appears to be the 3 facets of pigeon keeping represented viz; racers, fancy pigeons and show racers. Your suggestion is based on 8 classes with a final 'winners' class. Fine, but how about this for a suggestion : 1.Young Cock or Hen - Racer 2.Young Cock or Hen - Fancy Pigeon 3.Young Cock or Hen - Show Racer 4.Old Cock or Hen - Racer 5.Old Cock or Hen - Fancy Pigeon 6.Old Cock or Hen - Show Racer 7.Final class - Winners from each of 6 classes above. With this we won't have any problems with inter-breed classes, and a fairer playing field would be maintained. For example, when it's the turn of class 2 to appear, we the 'polling judges' can only cast our vote purely for a fancy pigeon, and that bird in turn shall progress to class 7. At the conclusion of the poll for the 6 classes we will end up with 6 entries for class 7 viz; 2 racers, 2 fancy pigeons and 2 show racers. As you yourself would now realise, your suggested classes will produce a minimum of 3 racers for the final class as it sits, and could result in a final class of 8 racers. Again, Webmaster, like yours, mine is only a suggestion. In Sport. Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted October 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 great idea, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FIFER Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 well done regarding the online show, first of its kind as far as i know, and by the fanciers on pigeonbasics forum, looking forward to it THE FIFER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webmaster Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Thanks Showman, I completely agree - a much better/fair way of doing things. If there are no more advances on Showmans suggestion, anyone like to propose a start date? I'm thinking 1 week to get the entries in, 1 week for the juging poll to be open. This could be a 7 week series then - or should we allow for more time between? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I still think there should be a sectio for Golden Oldies and Channel Birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 WILL MEMBERS BE LIMITED TO 1 PIGEON IN EACH CLASS OR SHOULD WE SAY 2 OR 3 WHAT ARE OTHERS VIEWS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I take it that the flying breeds ie West of England Flying Tumblers Exhibition Tipplers and Birmingham Rollers will be included in the fancy classes because strictly speaking they are not fancy pigeons and are treated seperately at shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy white Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 i agree with members 2 birds to each class, also with hyacinth, a golden oldies and channel class, as you might get some members putting a lot of birds in , maybe some of the new commers will not have many birds, and as for the more experienced, im sure you could pick 2 of what you think are the best, again its only my opinion , i think it should be treated as a bit fun, with some nice photos, to look at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showman Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I think what we need to bear in mind as we put forward our ideas, is that this on line 'pigeon-show' can only be looked upon as a bit of fun, nothing more, nothing less. By its' nature, an on line show is ludicrous, and proves nothing. Think about it.....how can you attempt to make rational comment about a pigeon of any variety just by looking at a picture !!! By sub-dividing the disciplines, we would end up with a fair number of classes, which will drag the whole thing out for too long.I take it we'd like to have it wrapped up by Christmas !! I take your point, Beautyhomer, regarding the flying breeds, but as a 'purist' when it comes to 'proper'shows, I would be the first to object to show racers being classified as just Old Birds viz : Class 6. My first cry would be that yearlings should not be in the same class as older birds.Lets keep the whole thing sweet and simple to see how it goes, and as they say over here, a bit of 'craic'. My opinion Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 showman, I was just wanted to clarify the classification.As this forum is mainly used by racing fanciers I doubt there are enough fancy/flying pigeons to warrant more than 1 or 2 classes. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Whilst I agree with both of you, this is a democratic forum and I think all fanciers should have the chance to show off their feathered friends. Maybe be can have two shows running concurrently, Racing, show?Show Racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showman Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 The structure of the show I proposed was intended to bring together the 3 most popular disciplines of pigeon keeping today viz : racing, fancy and show racer, in a very simple format. Maybe I've lost the plot a bit Hyacinth, but can I ask the question...why would we need to run 2 'shows' ? Surely as pigeon fanciers we should actively pursue every opportunity to strengthen the bond between us all by encouraging such a coming together. I fear 2 'shows' may not have that desired effect !! Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Paul I did a lot of showing in England and came across guys who used to breed a show racer with a standard racer just for show, and guys who put RPRA rings on show racers to enter them in shows. The Judge at the Todmorden show several year ago spotted this right away in the old bird racers section and threw the show racers out Just my opinion as I like to see like for like competing against each other, but this is meant to be a fun show so the members should decide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webmaster Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Maybe I think we are getting bogged down with too many details here. It will just be a bit of fun, as can you really judge the best bird from a photo? Each member may have their preferences about colour or type, but personally I'd look for condition on the bird; it wouldnt bother me a class of different breeds. If there are not enough birds entered for a class (based on if we were having Racer/Fancy/Show Racer) it could revert to Racer/Non-Racer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Well I have my first photograph ready taken last night, it's a breeder cock Yes I think we may be getting bogged down, so lets's have the final sections and when you want the photographs in by. I may have to send mine together to webmaster as we are going down to North Carolina shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 well when is the start date & finish date to send photos>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy white Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 i really dont think it matters who wins or loses, its just the participating that counts , i think it should be a fun thing so we can all see some nice photos of nice birds, even if the final is in january,,, just to keep everyone in suspenders,??? were all forum members and all entitled to vote, so really, any of us are taking part ,lets all agree to make this a bit fun, and enjoy it .what about guyfawks day for a start, its a saturday this year, then every sat from then, even if some birds are not completely through the moult, its all up to the forum to judge, and allow for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showman Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 PROPOSAL FOR SHOWS 7 shows (classes) as per my previous posting. Forum members can submit 2 entries per class ( 1 photo per entry ) 1st Show.....CLASS : Young Cock or Hen - Racer Photos to be submitted Saturday & Sunday 5th & 6th November Members polling to take place Monday 7th - Thursday 10th November Webmaster to issue result of class Friday 11th November This will give interested parties time at the weekend to take photos in daylight ,if they so desire, and post in the evening.Members would then have 4 days in which to cast their vote, thus giving time to forum members to vote at leisure, being respectful of their available time, due to work commitments etc. Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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