Digitaria Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 Hi there, I wonder if any of you can help me? I need as much pigeon dung as I can get my hands on. I'm trying to prepare for a tanning project I'm doing, preparing goat skins into leather but I need some pigeon dung. Someone I spoke to said racing pigeons centres would have some, but I'm wondering why they would have some and not a general breeder. I was hoping for a large amount if anyone can help? my tel is 0786 3272197 I'm based in Luton Bedfordshire although I can arrange for the dung to be picked up. my email is digitaria@talk21.com Thanks very much Lisa
REDCHEQHEN Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 I'm sure theres plenty on here who would give you a scraper - so that you could help yourself - and it would be as fresh as possible ;D sorry I don't live in your area - it wouldn't be worth your while collecting
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 Hi there, I wonder if any of you can help me? I need as much pigeon dung as I can get my hands on. I'm trying to prepare for a tanning project I'm doing, preparing goat skins into leather but I need some pigeon dung. Someone I spoke to said racing pigeons centres would have some, but I'm wondering why they would have some and not a general breeder. I was hoping for a large amount if anyone can help? my tel is 0786 3272197 I'm based in Luton Bedfordshire although I can arrange for the dung to be picked up. my email is digitaria@talk21.com Thanks very much Lisa what does the pigeon dung do ?
Guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 yi can have mine for 60 bucks a ton ;D ;D ;D
DOVEScot Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 yi can have mine for 60 bucks a ton ;D ;D ;D £59.99 a ton from me ;D ;D ;D
Guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 what does the pigeon dung do ? stinks his house out ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
retired Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 you are welcome to mine too, however the distsnce yet again. maybe put your advert for Lutonand bedfordshire thereis plenty of fanciers around there to keep you going
chickadee Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 We'll send ye loads but ye'll have tae pay amtrack for delivery. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Digitaria Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Posted October 22, 2007 Hi Everyone, thanks for the interest. For those curious to know what use piegoen dung is to me, I'll tell ya. After removing the hair from a goat pelt in either quick lime of more ancient recipe like a bran drench which ferments the pelt until the hair falls out, then its old flesh remaining is scudded off. At this stage the leather is quite hardened and starts to set as does rawhide, to soften it up so it can be tanned in a mixture of tannin and water the cleaned skin sits in a bucked of pigeon dung and clay which starts to break down the skin and makes it soft.... Thanks for all your offers, Chickadee could you make contact via my email address to arrange any you might have, my pay date is the 25th so if you could let me know how much you have a can get some kind of transport costs worked out. Also let me know where your based so I can get some rough idea, really thanks very much for the offer. Depending on how much I'm gonna need in the near future I would like to ask you to send your details to me regarding your tonnes of pigeon dung, if you guys really have it by the tonne and are not messing with me, then we can definately work something out. Kind Regards Lisa "You've gotta be in it, to win it"!
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Hi Everyone, thanks for the interest. For those curious to know what use piegoen dung is to me, I'll tell ya. After removing the hair from a goat pelt in either quick lime of more ancient recipe like a bran drench which ferments the pelt until the hair falls out, then its old flesh remaining is scudded off. At this stage the leather is quite hardened and starts to set as does rawhide, to soften it up so it can be tanned in a mixture of tannin and water the cleaned skin sits in a bucked of pigeon dung and clay which starts to break down the skin and makes it soft.... Thanks for all your offers, Chickadee could you make contact via my email address to arrange any you might have, my pay date is the 25th so if you could let me know how much you have a can get some kind of transport costs worked out. Also let me know where your based so I can get some rough idea, really thanks very much for the offer. Depending on how much I'm gonna need in the near future I would like to ask you to send your details to me regarding your tonnes of pigeon dung, if you guys really have it by the tonne and are not messing with me, then we can definately work something out. Kind Regards Lisa "You've gotta be in it, to win it"! THINK YOU WILL FIND SHE IS PULLING YOUR LEG, SAME AS I THINK YOU ARE PULLING OURS
retired Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Well all i can say is the people on the site sellig birds wouldbe better leaving them and selling there endless supply of sh*t. I am never letting my birds out again
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Well all i can say is the people on the site sellig birds wouldbe better leaving them and selling there endless supply of sh*t. I am never letting my birds out again Why ?
retired Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 well once the bird has gone its gone at 60.00 per ton on the sh** it could be a profitable business lol
Digitaria Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Posted October 22, 2007 Hi All, is there any one out there who is not pulling my leg, or my feathers, I really do need the pigeon dung, just not at silly prices, seriously though 60.00 bucks, where did that price come from, I certainly can’t afford that sort of cash, come down some and you’ve got a deal. Besides because I cant find any I cant price compare but that sounds like an awful lot of money to me. I came to you guys coz I'm trying to learn something new, a-not-for profit project in my spare time. I could use modern methods for bating possibly using tanning chemicals but I thought I'd cherish the environment, also I'm a bit of a traditionalist and like to do things properly. If you find there is a market in your bird dung then profit away but remember you heard it here first…The potential for sale is pretty big from your perspective it can be used as a prized fertiliser although with new legislation and avian diseases only a hard core organic farmer might contemplate its use. I just thought if you had no further use for it that I could trouble you for a little bit of your time and effort, which doesn’t in itself come without reward but some effort has to come from you, your not exactly making it yourself. I’ve included some info below about the historic use of pigeon dung and I wanted to post a picture from the oldest tannery known in Fez in Morocco where I spent the weekend to see the tannery, they still use this method although some advances from the ancient recipes have crept in over time. However I could'nt find the attach button, so if you know how to attach pics and want to see, just let me know. -Tanners work at a vat where the skins are softened in a nauseating concoction of pigeon droppings, often urine and or clay which strips out any un-wanted oils which if not removed will prevent the tanning liquor from entering into the layers of the leather and saturating the skin right through. -The bating mixture should firstly be mixed and strained through a flax gauze, if the mixture is not strained large pieces of bating material can sit on the skin and burn through the skin and the heavy mixture can settle on the skin burning the skin and it could become un-useable. The bating vat contains a preparation of proteolytic enzymes which accomplish a controlled disintegration of the skin substance. The chemical effects of bating are not clearly understood, but the process results in a skin that is noticeably softer, more even in texture, and more pliable. -Bating can take from 3 to 4 hours or last for several days. -The bating process combines the process of softening the skin whilst removing un-wanted oil in the skin which should be stripped out of the skin before it can be tanned aiding the tannins to penetrate deeply into the skin. Fatty matter varies depending on the type of skin with sheep skins being richly impregnated; the average yield is about 4 oz. per skin and significantly less for goat skins. -Although pigeon droppings seen as a major problem for property owners in the 21st Century, it was considered to be an invaluable resource in the 16th, 17th and 18th century in Europe. Pigeon droppings are a highly prized fertiliser and considered to be far more potent than farmyard manure, so prized in fact that armed guards were stationed at the entrances to dovecotes to stop thieves stealing it. Not only this, but in England in the 16th century pigeon droppings were the only known source of saltpetre, an essential ingredient of gunpowder and was considered a highly valued commodity as a result. In Iran, where eating pigeon flesh was forbidden, dovecotes were set up and used simply as a source of fertilizer for melon crops and in France and Italy it was used to fertilize vineyards and hemp crops. P.S If your in the UK you are in a deliverable area... Lisa
Guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Hi Everyone, thanks for the interest. For those curious to know what use piegoen dung is to me, I'll tell ya. After removing the hair from a goat pelt in either quick lime of more ancient recipe like a bran drench which ferments the pelt until the hair falls out, then its old flesh remaining is scudded off. At this stage the leather is quite hardened and starts to set as does rawhide, to soften it up so it can be tanned in a mixture of tannin and water the cleaned skin sits in a bucked of pigeon dung and clay which starts to break down the skin and makes it soft.... Thanks for all your offers, Chickadee could you make contact via my email address to arrange any you might have, my pay date is the 25th so if you could let me know how much you have a can get some kind of transport costs worked out. Also let me know where your based so I can get some rough idea, really thanks very much for the offer. Depending on how much I'm gonna need in the near future I would like to ask you to send your details to me regarding your tonnes of pigeon dung, if you guys really have it by the tonne and are not messing with me, then we can definately work something out. Kind Regards Lisa "You've gotta be in it, to win it"! i think lisa..is takin de pisa,...paul ;D ;D ;D
pigeonpete Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 i think lisa..is takin de pisa,...paul ;D ;D ;D your not kiddong paul!! ;D ;D ;D
Webmaster Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 I had the original email enquiry a few days back. Seriously; if anyone is able to help Lisa out around the Luton area please get in touch with her - contact details given in first post.
Guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Lisa, I think you will find it difficult to source that much from a single owner, its more likely to need at least a whole pigeon club, or maybe more than one club, and it would need to be one in your area. A pigeon might eat a kilo a month, even if it produced its own body weight [400g] in waste each month, you'd need around 2500 pigeons to produce a tonne a month. Thats the total number of birds 50 average fanciers might keep. :-/ Different fanciers also have different methods of disposal, I bag & bin mine and I don't see my group being a problem: simply bag and wait for uplift .... but others might put it to a garden compost heap, or spread it around the garden. And it doesn't come 'neat'. There's likely to be bits of everything in it : feathers, corn, straw, grit, dust, etc.
chickadee Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Yes I'm sorry lisa I was pulling your leg, It's just that when I'm in cleaning out the lofts IT ONLY FEELS LIKE IT'S TONNES. ;D
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Yes I'm sorry lisa I was pulling your leg, It's just that when I'm in cleaning out the lofts IT ONLY FEELS LIKE IT'S TONNES. ;D THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN U TRY AND BE SMART ;D
chickadee Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN U TRY AND BE SMART ;D Well I thought she was just pulling our legs. ;D ;D ;D
DOVEScot Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN U TRY AND BE SMART ;D Feels like tons when I am dumping it out the tralier ;D We don't have tons but we have loads, trouble is at this time it is full or feathers, but you are welcome to it Probably better sourced locally as someone said before
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