Roland Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Especially in our climate today and the B.O.P./ Hawks problems, I am amazed many more aren't copying the proven system of Just getting the youngster loft fit. The split into two batches and sent the first four races alternatively. Two come back races. Never mind trying to still a 'March' on club mates etc. The birds WILL hold their own if they have love, want of a home. Off course after a race or two, they will be better and fresher than those trained regularly, or hard.As for losses I wager far, far fewer.Many breeds 60 or more and feel that they have had a good season for the youngster if 10 - 20 left! So A, don't fret regards Losses. B. Don't worry about fitness, and they will be fitter and fresher. C. Any not home season ends means a saving on Feed and breeding culls. Yes, if Hawked etc. they will/may happen anyway!Remember you, I and everyone else haven't the foggiest idea how, and why they home … Outside defending/protecting their corner/perch or nest box. Flying to the perch is good. Edited July 24, 2019 by Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakie Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 its all the queens fault roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg50 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Need to be a brave bugger nae to train ,is there anyone honestly on here that doesnt train ,and what about untrained birds causing confusion at race liberation and birds not leaving lib point and being reported 10/20 mile in wrong direction.I would take a fair bit of convincing on no training . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Need to be a brave bugger nae to train ,is there anyone honestly on here that doesnt train ,and what about I would take a fair bit of convincing on no training . Well I never did... yearlings first time in Basket 150 - miles races as often said. As for untrained birds causing confusion at race liberation and birds not leaving lib point and being reported 10/20 mile in wrong direction. Far from a fact to say the least. what about the very many that shouldn't even be in a basket, let alone a race. A very large percentage I'd wager. Indeed we hear that story at most club meetings. they fanciers 'Unsure' then state rubbish like 'Well it had to go... give it a chance to prove its self. I used to, like many 'Ole Timers' before first toss release the youngster up with Barnsley / Sheffield Feds at Wickstead park. Many back before long. Others a bit tired come night full. Losses? Nary many. Fient heart never won a fair pig .. give the birds the merit that they deserve and stop relating as in human terms... they aren't human. they have much properties that fair our stretch us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter swanston Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 I think it's called anthromorphism Roland very common among fanciers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 I think that you have hit the nail on right on the head there Walter. Many definitions there are, but I think this one sums it up Walter for me and many others Definition of Anthropomorphism. Anthropomorphism is a literary device that can be defined as a technique in which a writer ascribes human traits, ambitions, emotions, or entire behaviour's to animals, non-human beings, natural phenomena, or objects. … thoughts of thinking won't prevail then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg50 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 No i dont think i am confusing the difference between the human and the pigeon and the superiority of the pigeon and its capability to home which no one quite understands or has fathomed out .The area where the bird is raced into would be the large mitigating factor the small area federation all birds would be heading for the same small area unlike my fed 80 miles wide by 50 deep ( this being approx ) the prevailing winds in the UK being SW many birds would IMO end of in East corner of fed .As i said this is where line of flight training merits a bit of thought and practise,as i said IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Sorry Philgo, never said, or indeed never implied you are or were confusing. We can't control the wind ... only harness our sails. I was the further flyer, only one this way and in a not so good location. So maybe the odd swallow was a privilege. But we can only play with the cards we are dealt. Mind, we are in control of how we play them. Further, we know, many don't take into account that the pigeon will fly in valleys when appropriate. Not bragging, but proud, I guess.I took six birds first time in the basket. 3- 4-year-olds. Midway through the season. It was the first time I'd sent.Member tried to take a rise out of me. Then I was asked if I was going to send the birds overseas next week in the Midland national. I said no. With tongue in cheek, they implied that I knew it would be a waste of time as my birds weren't good enough. I smiled and said to Bill the foremost to pick a bird out of the basket, which they mocked. I state ANY and would wager against them ... That never happened either, maybe as I had never lost a wager before.So he took out a blue hen and said 'Will this his one do'? I repeated 'You choose'.I sent it, the only one I sent actually.It did well 18th. Had a nice write up in the BHW how confident I was etc. and how well the pigeon done second time in the basket etc. etc. Edited July 25, 2019 by Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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