yes rose , GITS, HANSEEN , SOFFEL WEGGE , BARKER , TOFT , dolly mixtuers , but a master at blending pigeons , what if that man was around to-day , with the feeding , trainning methods , loft's , he would be at the top of the game , just by being a top stockman , yes rose he had a few shillings about him , but i would worry more about what he had between his ears , regarding pigeons , if he was here in this day and age , just think a race from france in the 1890's , 3 or 4 days to the race point or may-be more , they were the pionniers of pigeon racing in the uk