Thanks ALF PB has an Arson fund to help with this type of case and ALF has all the details as stated he wants time to decide and he has been told that is not a problem all he has to do is decide when he wants help If members wish to donate to the Fund please contact me and I will deal with it Them that wish to donate 2014 youngster I will keep a note of them and we will hold a sale to replenish the Fund We have change the system so we can help when needed not 3 or 4 months later which is the time it takes to hold a sale collect donors sell the bird , collect in the cash Archie and I have been working on this for a few months to try and help victims quicker Ian