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I answered his first post quite simply asking if the white logans he was after was for his granddaughters release business, he stated in his second post she was only four, I personally found it unusual that a four year would know the specific breed she wanted. By his fouth post he was criticising members on the site for hassling him and being trolls If this is wrong then Richard tell me where, or is it getting to the stage where we just put up and shup incase we upset someone :-/

Just my point of view that some posts get moved as soon as, where the very same type get left to run on the main board :-/

Just courtesy thats all, whether for nowt or a thousand pounds, manners are priceless. I am thankfull for the birds, but I do need an address to send the money to,

So what! Why mock the site because your first post seems to be odd to one or two members. If you are that high and mighty then why come on here and stir it up I personally found your post odd and now believe you are not a newbe, but one of the trolls you mention and if not you are experieced, as you say, on internet and forum dealings : : :

Yes and an address would help

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No me, I'm just an old haz been :'( :'( :'( :)

We know the moderators have a job to do moving posts when members post them in the wrong forum, sometimes a thankless and needless task at times if members like me and others place them wrongly either by mistake or being flipant. But there are times if moderators have personal interests or pet hates certain issues and posts are dealt with differently, when members notice this happenning especially to them they raise objection. In this case it seems to have been moved very quickly for some reason :-/

I do not not want to offend genuine members as well on the help front but I did question as well a four year old wanting pure white "logans" seems a bit odd to me as well:-/

£5 each plus £30 amtrak

Have you seen them tumble or did you find out from your hubbies boss, as I said before I am looking for white rollers, I am willing to buy them or may do a swap for some white homers

Aye here is the ace card to make sure they have no highjackers ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ther is a guy in Ayr and one in Fife that makes them to order, where do you come from?

I don't think moderators should be allowed to switch hats whenever it suits them. They have personal opinions like the rest of us, but can use their power as a moderator if they do not like a post Webmaster comes on here doing his job, but he also has "mealybar" when he is posting personal opinions, why not the same for moderators I personally cannot see why the post was moved so quickly :-/

Not yet, Chickadee keeps hiding it When she stops hiding it I will gladly give to someone ;)

Naw, Ave got a bigger tounge ;)

All the best in starting up gladdo, welcome to the site

Newbes seem to be missing the point, it's not hard in the sense they will get all the help they can from other fanciers, whether it is advise or birds. But why not help us in return by supplying some basic info about yourselfs. First if you want birds then do you have a loft to keep them in. Do stay near any member so you can pick them up or they can drop them into you to save on amtrak. Loads of ways members can help but as new members you seem to be just as wary of us as we are of you :-/

The high majority of people on hear are genuine and willing to help in their own way what ever way they can. It is the minority that spoil it all the time, the site wouldn't last the test of time if it was the opposite way round. Let's face it COXY was a verteran of the site, so it is not just new members we have to watch, the sad thing is COXY is a prolific scammer and will do anything to slip under the radar on every site and the classifieds to line his pockets. HE IS STILL AT IT, LOGGING ON JUST THE OTHER DAY. HE HAS BEEN CLOCKED ON EBAY. HE EMAILED A MEMBER THE OTHER DAY SUPPLYING HIS WARES AGAIN. I am sorry if I ask newbes when they log on the simple question "Hi where are you from" it's amazing the amount that don't answer and never log on again. It leaves me wondering why I even got stick from members when I questioned daveb who built a £7000,00 loft and left no money to buy birds on his first post. NEVER TO BE HEARD OF AGAIN ON THE SITE :-/ Never the less genuine new members are welcome, I was one at one time ;D ;D ;D

http://www.rspb.org.uk/ourwork/policy/species/eagleowls.asp Eagle owls in the UK Recent media coverage has reported on the presence of a small number of breeding eagle owls in the UK. The origin of these individuals is unknown, though there is no evidence that birds other than from released stock have bred in Britain in recent times. As a probable introduced species, we believe the government should assess the likely impacts of an increasing population of eagle owls, including on the conservation status of native wildlife. Eagle owls may colonise Britain in the future as the population recovers on the European mainland. If eagle owls arrive here naturally, the RSPB would welcome it, as we do the expansion of other colonising birds, such as little egret and Cetti’s warbler.

http://www.owls.org/News/eagle_owl.htm Eagle Owls In Britain - Where Does The Trust Stand? No doubt many of you will have seen the marvellous film (Natural World, BBC 2, November 16 & 20), which gave the news of the return of the European Eagle Owl as a breeder in the UK. The more observant amongst you will also have registered the fact that the Trust was involved in the making of this film, so no doubt you will be wondering what our stance is over this controversial event. I am sure you will not be surprised to learn that opinions are much divided over whether the birds currently breeding and being seen in ever-increasing numbers in Britain, are the ‘genuine article’ or simply birds which have been deliberately released or ‘lost’/escaped from captivity. I summarize the WOT’s position as follows: There is fossil evidence, first-hand observations of birds in the wild, plus anecdotal and a few confirmed reports (eg. Galloway, Invernesshire, and Sutherland) of Eagle Owls breeding in Britain before the Yorkshire pair, plus many instances of undoubted ‘escaped’ or deliberately released birds in England. The old literature gives many examples of birds being ‘taken’ (ie. ‘shot’) in a wide range of counties, as well as many ‘seen’. The WOT has never released European Eagle Owls into the wild in the UK. While we formerly considered any Eagle Owls seen or breeding in England as ‘suspect’, we have always believed that genuine wild birds were present and breeding in very small numbers in parts of Scotland. Our work in Finland demonstrated the difficulty of locating this species in the wild, due to the large size of their territories and their ability to stay hidden (as was clearly shown in the film). In the light of the evidence presented in the film, we now consider that any Eagle Owl reports must in future be treated with an open mind unless there is clear and indisputable evidence (e.g. unnatural tameness, presence of jesses or rings, etc.) that these may be ex-captive individuals. Rather than it being incumbent on ‘believers’ to prove that observed Eagle Owls are genuine wild individuals, as in the past, we now believe it is for the ‘unbelievers’ to prove they aren’t! While we accept that the Eagle Owl is a formidable predator well capable of taking a wide range of prey – including other owls and diurnal birds of prey - it also takes a great many corvids, rats and in particular, rabbits which Man usually regards as vermin. We regard predation by any predator as ‘natural’, even when the victim is something we ‘like’. We regard the confirmation of the Eagle Owl as a resident breeder in Britain as an exciting event on a par with the reintroduction of the White-tailed Sea Eagle and reinforcement of the Red Kite population, and would draw attention to the fact that no-one complains about the Little Owl - which was a full introduction to Britain. We suggest that the opposition to the Eagle Owl is perhaps down to its size and expertise as a predator rather than being based on scientific fact or logic. We believe the British Ornithologists Union should now add it to the official list of British birds and that the species should receive the same protection as any other bird of prey or owl, perhaps even being placed on Schedule 1. The above remarks do not apply to any other species or subspecies of Eagle Owl (such as the commonly kept Indian (Bengal) Eagle Owl (Bubo bengalensis) or Turkmenian Eagle Owl (Bubo bubo turcomanus) which should be recaptured if seen in a ‘wild’ state in the UK.

http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/254-eagle-owl-sighting-2.html 20-11-2005, 10:32 PM John Commander of the Wild Empire Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Coventry Posts: 4,909 Re: eagle owl sighting -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by StuartDH Not too far up into Scotland as well. Is this about as far south as people are seeing them this year? There is a breeding pair in Yorkshire Stuart, as seen on a BBC2 programme last Wednesday plus today. They have raised 23 chicks since 1997. One of their chicks was found dead by a Pylon in Shropshire, some 200 miles away. All the chicks have been ringed but as yet none of the others have been found. They reckon that there is at least 40 Eagle Owls around. __________________ Visit my web site. http://www.coventrybirder.co.uk/

http://www.wayodd.com/bird/6/c/234/ Giant Owl Terrorizing Community In England January 11, 2007 Topics bird, train, people, wings, eagle, hunting, deer, chase, birds, sun, christmas, drunk, running, cat, big, england, newspaper, face, food, dogs, couple, dog, car, man and police A giant eagle owl is reported to be terrorizing residents in Middlesborough, England. With its 5-ft wingspan, the bird can easily pick up foxes, small dogs and deer. Reports said the owl set up its home on the roof of the town's train station near the town center, in September. However, the bird suddenly become unruly since December launching itself off high roofs and swooping on passersby. read article | comments (0)

Eagle Owl. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXOTIC owls so large they can catch and kill a dog or small deer are being deliberately released into the wild by people who believe they should be introduced into Scotland. Eagle owls, which grow to almost three feet tall, have been spotted across the country in areas including Edinburgh, Fife, the Borders, Stirling, Argyll, Morayshire and the Black Isle. Some enthusiasts - those responsible for releasing them - believe the birds used to live in Scotland until they were wiped out by gamekeepers in the 19th Century. Experts say there is no evidence of this. Now ornithologists are concerned the "super-predators" will wipe out many native birds if they continue to be released in Scotland. David Kelly, the Lothian recorder for the Scottish Ornithology Club, said people were able to release eagle owls because they are easy to breed in captivity and cheap to buy at around £80 each. "There are people that feel quite strongly that the eagle owl was wiped out from Scotland at the same time the osprey and goshawk were exterminated," he said. "They may have lived here before the ice age more than 15,000 years ago, but the environment was different then. "I am concerned they think it is a good idea to deliberately release them and am saddened when I see them or receive reports of sightings of them, for example in Balerno in Edinburgh just a few weeks ago. "These people are misguided and don’t seem to realise that if they spread and increase then they will be very dangerous to our native birds. They even eat other owls. "You should never take captive birds and release them into the wild as not only is it illegal, but it upsets the native population of birds and animals." He added that anyone sighting one of the large owls should report it to the authorities. The Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has warned that anyone caught setting the owls free faces a fine of up to £20,000. Mike Flynn, SSPCA superintendent, said: "I heard an escaped eagle owl some years ago plucked a Yorkshire terrier from a street in Perth, so they can quite easily eat dogs. "It is a clear offence to intentionally introduce any non-indigenous species into the wild under section 14 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. "The International Union for Conservation and Nature decides whether to give a permit to release birds into the wild. They gave permission for ospreys to be re-introduced because they did use to live here before the gamekeepers wiped them out but I can’t see them giving out a permit to do this with eagle owls, considering the damage they do." Several varieties of eagle owl have been seen in Scotland including the Central Asian and Eurasian eagle owl - the largest of the owl species. Females can weigh as much as ten pounds and have a 5ft wing span. Eurasian eagle owls are native to countries such as Russia. The Central Asian eagle owl is native to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China and India. Eagle owls hunt mostly at night. They can catch prey up to the size of foxes and young deer whilst hunting in the wild, but they also feed on rabbits, smaller mammals and birds in captivity. Experts say adult birds can be aggressive. Keith Morton, the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds’ species protection officer, said: "These birds are cheap to buy and easy to get hold of and there are quite a few now living wild in Scotland. "They can easily grab a cat without too much trouble and are known to predate on peregrines at night on the nest. "They don’t belong here and there is no evidence of them living here in the post-glacial period. However, there is still this debate going, that they did live here, among some people. I would urge anyone who knows of anyone releasing eagle owls to contact me." Duncan Orr-Ewing, RSPB head of policy, said: "They are very adaptable when released into the wild because they have quite a cosmopolitan diet, feeding on small deer or dogs and their favourite prey being hedgehogs. "They shouldn’t be released here." One has been sighted at Balerno, West Lothian not far from where I live. Guess where I'm going at the week-end suitably tooled up with binns, tripod, scope and camera!! Keep your fingers crossed for me that I get, at least, a brief glimpse of this magnificent bird. EILEEN.