Yes I believe I did try and get the ball rolling at one time and the rest mentioned did follow but that is by the by, until we stop and regroup and get our heads together it is a waist of time. Human nature manufactures cliches, they part of all walks of life, I mind as a fresh 20yr old journeyman being put into a section down the mine which was a renowned cliche and the first shift I walked into the section howf my first words were "is this where the cliche hangs out" and to this day it has never changed. If everyone likes you then you are two faced at least;D ;D ;D