Aye and Saddam Hussein, Osman Bin Laden and the Taliban were used by British and American goverments :-/
I started a poll a while back and it got great support about 75% on the main membership and it got know where. I then retried and set up http://wwspb.forumotion.com/index.htm and it died a death. Others started up http://sobsbs.forumotion.net/ and again it got no real support and if this is what sabotaged the BOP then it stood no chance against the RSBP as it only involved a few members trying to something along the same lines.
It was down to cliches and spitting out dummies that put members off as usual, we are never going to fight the RSPB and the public from the pigeon pulpit as pigeons and a few other birds they prey on are considered vermin, the bigger the web the more chance you have of catching peoples attention that is why I thought http://wwspb.forumotion.com/index.htm had a slight chance at drawing a bigger support from all walks of life