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day This used to be called the word game but was taken off :( :(

Naw, facts speak for themselves :-/

NAW!!!, use external ply as hardboard is porous and will retain any dampness and start to break up when you scrape it

Aye - Nys-an Wong

And have you stopped all the nasties so far with it :-/

Yes I agree you can control it but you will never stop it as it is rife in so many different forms :-/

Has it been tested by anyone other than yourself

NAW!!!

£20/25kg almost half the price of Stalosan cheaper by the pallet :-/

Has anyone used this??? Ny-San-Dry Cow Cubicle Dry Powder Disinfectant - Full Pallet: 40 x 25 kg polysacks A Blend of Oyster Shell Flour, Aromatic Oils and Selouron 1000. Naturally occuring ingredients, safe to use, pleasant aroma, non-harmful if ingested. Strong, Anti-Viral, Anti-Bacterial, Anti-Fungal sanitiser for healthier animals, lower somatic cell counts and fewer cases of mastitis. High Absorbency Factor - absorbs moisture and ammonia for a fresher environment. Simple to use - just spread liberally over cubicle mats or bedding, 2-3 times each week. Can be used in calf pens, calving pens and sheephousing etc. Environmentally safe product being a blend of natural ingredients on a highly absorbent inert carrier.

http://www.wiseharmon.com/Stalosan_e/stalosan/poultry/articles.htm Stalosan F for pigeons. Stalosan F is one of the best-kept secrets from the pigeon fancier. I first started working with it in the intensive poultry world and quickly realised it also had an application for my pigeons. It is a unique powder disinfectant that is ideal for use as a loft powder being able to dry up damp patches, reduce smells and kill infectious organisms. Laboratory studies have shown that it will kill paramyxovirus, E.coli, salmonella, coccidia and worm eggs. In this article I would like to review the background to disease problems and detail the trial work that has been completed with Stalosan F. The Problem - sudden rapid build ups of infection Young birds and old birds are more susceptible to infections. The mixed age groups that is the normal way for keeping the racing pigeon ensures that infection is present at low and inapparent levels throughout the year. However, at specific times of the year this may change, most notably in the spring. The dampness, warmer days and the stress of breeding and rearing youngsters can be associated with a rapid build up of infection that results in disease. The most familiar will be the respiratory (the "snots"), intestinal (coccidiosis) and mortality ("young bird sickness") problems that beset the youngster. Survival of infection The ability of infectious organisms to survive and develop in the environment varies with the particular organism. The majority (viruses, bacteria, mycoplasma and Chlamydia) merely survive in droppings and respiratory exudates until they enter another susceptible pigeon. Coccidial oocysts and worm eggs must undergo further development before they are able to successfully infect another bird. The huge numbers of infectious organisms that may be present in one dropping - in excess of 20,000 coccidial oocysts to 100's of millions of bacteria and viruses, is the reason for their success. Spread of infection from bird to bird Infection is spread from bird to bird by many routes. 1. Through the air - mycoplasma 2. Through the water - E.coli 3. Through the droppings - coccidia, worms. 4. Through crop feeding - canker 5. Through fighting - pigeon pox 6. Through handling If you can find a way to reduce that cross-infection then you have a good chance of preventing disease problems. Stalosan's safety factor allows the fancier to achieve that control. Why does disease occur Disease is the outward sign associated with uncontrolled infection. Your birds may become infected and affected without showing signs of disease. There are many factors involved that determine whether or not disease occurs. Some of these are listed below:- 1. How infectious is the organism i.e. does it take one or many thousands of organisms to initiate disease. 2. The level of environmental contamination. 3. The humidity and temperature in the loft. 4. The number of birds in each section. The impact of disease Disease can have varying effects from the annoying to the disastrous. Breeding performance can suffer, viability and growth of the young can be affected, feed and water intake is often reduced and performance, almost inevitably, will suffer. It goes without saying that there is also a cost implication to disease either in the form of replacement costs, treatment costs or additional rearing costs. How Stalosan F works Stalosan works as a disinfectant, killing many types of virus including parmyxoviruses, bacteria such as E.coli and Salmonella spp., mycoplasmas, coccidia and worm eggs. It also acts as a powerful drying agent and works to reduce the levels of ammonia and sulphur gases in the loft. All the key areas in loft management. We have trialled the product in our own lofts for nearly a year ( my partner Fred will not be without it now). Over this period I have regularly tested the dropping and the loft area for bacterial levels , coccidial oocysts and carried out regular worm egg counts. There is no doubt that regular use of Stalosan has maintained uniformly low levels ( less than 1000 oocysts/g faeces and no worm eggs ). As a result we have had fewer problems and had to spend less on medication. Our lofts are drier and smell much better and my colleague Fred is on the blower if we look like running out. The benefits of using Stalosan F 1. Dries up damp patches on the floor from watery droppings and spilt water 2. Leaves a covering of powder over all the surfaces that the pigeons walk and perch on. 3. Helps keep the atmosphere smelling fresher. 4. Persists for several days to a week after it has been used regularly. 5. Keeps the pigeons feet drier and cleaner. 6. Reduces the challenge from infectious organisms particularly coccidia and worms. 7. Reduces the reliance on medication to control coccidial and worm infections (our birds have not been treated for over a year) . 8. Can be used with the birds in the loft. 9. No adverse affects on the birds have been noticed in our loft after regular weekly usage for over a year. 10. No respiratory signs seen as a result of sprinkling Stalosan F in the loft. 11. No adverse affects on the plumage. The birds can still be fed on the floor without problems.

You have to be versatile and cover all the angle in case of failure by one or the other clubs, AYE maybe :-/

Maybe we should start the "Dafty Club"

As you say you have thrown this idea into the melting pot, so why complain if we melt it down a bit :) Surely us members are able to comment on your ideas, sadly not all agree with them, does not mean they are trying to pick a fight just debating your post :-/

If it is the fancy name for salmonella it is present in a lot of species including ourselves, there are test results that show it present in a lot places including hospitals and computer key boards. Humans can catch it and be rid of it, they can also be carriers for life in some cases :-/

I second that, awards so far that would justify it Mr Pigeon basics 2008 Mr and Mrs Pigeon Basics 2008 Ticket at Blackpool on his first time entering Pulling and trapping a gorgeous English bird on the site Top poster on site for the last two years Need I say more :X

Why thank you kind sir, I rest my case, guilty as charged you Honour

Coxy had an immaculate loft because he never had any birds in it :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( The range of lofts and sellers are so vast that who are we to judge, some think the likes of Louella are the biggest scam merchants and also some think the ones that give away birds free are idiots and their birds must be crap if they are just giving them away. Although help and feedback from couriers would benefit us in tracking dodgy sellers that have been ousted, I have seen members crucified on this site rightly or wrongly for selling or giving away pigeons just due to differences in opinions :-/

AYE RIGHT!!! AND YOU DON'T HAVE MA PINK DRESS EITHER Show fanciers mave a whole box of tricks for getting different birds ready, Chrissy has a suitcase full of them

Naw I decided to give the pigeon one so he can phone the stray centre ;D ;D ;D

We use nothing in the feeding but deep litter is an advantage to keeping the feather feet clean

Even better ;D ;D ;D

Just a quick one ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think if you start that then you will be committing business suicide, not that you would be doing anything wrong a lot of people would lose confidence in you and your service :-/ Bearing in mind 99% of pigeon fanciers do not know anything about you, I certainly would not want a courier being a possible loft monitor and if he did not like my set up then he could be judgemental and or vindictive Before you possibly go off on one, I am not saying you are like that but there is a potential that this may happen JMO :-/

Tammy christened me a Numpty a long time ago, but would like some details on club membership please before I join your one Rembrant how can you be a numpty as well as a bampot, on second thoughts :-/