well in reply to joe61 , and others others did go on other sites correct but i think you will find i never gave him any stick, what others did is up 2 them so dont try putting the blame at my door...and 1s again he was discredited not by me even though he winged enough about sueing me ?? he was discredited by ronny himself so ended the argument stone dead!!!! and i think you willfind i never 1s slated his birds or results but you continually instigated i was behind some kind of witch hunt but im sorry people make thereown minds up, and your boy did use threatening pms to others...FACT!!! also tried 2 claim he had sent prominent fanciers 2 ronny....more rubbish as proved..also if i really had anything against him now read this very carefully as this is the truth i could have stopped him ever owning those birds so does that really sound like the bad guy im supposed 2 be???...you dont know a lot do you??.......ill put the last bit in big letters joe61 so you and everyone else on this site gets the message....YOUR BOY PUT THE A POST ON THIS SITE ABOUT MY WIFE AS CAN BE VERIFIED BY TAMMY 1 AND OTHERS IN WHICH HE STEPPED RIGHT ACROSS THE LINE!!! IN REPLY TO MY POSTING COMPLEMENTING HIS G/D OF 613 BUT DUE TO ANOTHER POSTING HE REPLIED THAT I HID BEHIND MY AVATAR ECT...AND CULMINATING IN SAYING WHILST I WAS AT THE CLUB ANOTHER MEMBER WAS SORTING MY WIFE......NOW JOE61 JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS YOUR GOLDENBOY ???? AND PS I NEVER TOOK ANY BIRDS HE WAS OFFERING ME AS A WAY OF AN APOLOGIE.......NOW I NEVER 1S USED THIS AGAINST HIM BUT I COULD HAVE DONE , SO DONT COME ON HERE BLAMING ALL AND SUNDRIE BECAUSE HE GOT HIMSELF BANNED..........