I know we have a few threads regarding young bird losses etc, so lets get some data regarding, system,feeding, number bred, and training how many away and returns from tosses, and theries why you think you are losing,birds I weaned 31 birds for racing, and on natural,feed versa laga Jerry pluss mixed with all round,and they get hormaform with first feed daily,and have matrix in front of them daily, my first toss (short one) 3-4 ml,dropped 5,one returned 2 days later one reported more or less in the area they were liberated,so 27 to the 2nd toss 7ml all on the loft when i got home, 3rd toss 17ml 27 all waiting on loft, this is training along the coastline on the FORTH, next will be over the water,