regarding the charities, as said above some great offers you wont get anywhere, also the one BIG thing we need in the pigeon fancy is the general public knowing we exist,as the vast majority dont,or what we do and how important our birds are, most charity sales are to do with the public, one recently on pigeonbasics brought in members of the public and opened their eyes to the pigeon fancy,The news paper reporter couldnt believe how valuable pigeons were and how pigeon fanciers give to help people, this was with the ANNA FLAWS auction, and this was put out to the public in the paper, and I have had a few stop me in the street saying how amazed they were seeing pigeon fanciers doing what they do, so much so that the Hospital Anna Flaws works in got the message as well yes they got together when they new we had another 2 coming up for the young kids, and I received a phone call from ANNA they had a get together and raised £200 for those charities, so pigeonbasics now have the public involved with the pigeon fanciers, yes we are getting a lot now,thats why the charity Moderator Ian McKay has it organised so we dont have 2 going together etc, How do we say NO to general Charities, not easy, the good thing about charities is it voluntarily, no one is asked to donate or buy,but as said above good bargains are there so as well as giving to charity, its helping fanciers as well, Ian Myself and the team are working together to keep all happy, it was mentioned in one of the posts about instead of having so many sales for charity up on site have a fund, AGREE we have been working on this for a few weeks now,thats hopefully our intention, once we get the charities on our list dealt with, pigeon basics have in the past 12 months donated around the £13,000 mark to charities, this I think says a big effort done by the site members and pigeon fanciers helping those in need and letting the public know we care and are a big part of the community and put a lot into it, re the fund yes good idea have a one off sale to get funds as we require them, what we must also remember people are probably on the site who are not pigeon fanciers but had to do with the charities, and see what we do in other ways, well done pigeonbasics members you have done a great job, ADMIN