symbro

i need help. i cant seem to find a good way to deal with my "crappy" shoes. i was trying to find shoes with a flat soul so they can scrape off easily... but no luck so far... my question is... how do you all deal with this issue?

well i guess they need to find out how to make them cheaper... :*)

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anyone have any information on this band? i remember reading somewhere about it and cant seem to find anything anymore.

Well folks we have about 5 hours left for a few more good answers. there are some really good answers here. Peckedhen- found out David would have liked something (not sure what a steel border fork is...) Mark- would like some birds (having to do with his hobby) Hyacinth- steve would like some Koi... i assume this is his hobby too Sbelbin-is increasing the stereotype of men wanting sex. i would ask if you want something scepific. not that i want you to get dirty... but you can answer that cleanly Shadow- said nothing. wouldnt mind knowing your reason behind nothing i appreciate your answers and truthfulness... i hope i can get a few more answers. come on guys, just one silly question and i would like a serious answer.

ok i am such a retard... i need this survey answered and i kinda waited till last minute. it is really simple and can be really interesting. if you dont want to answer publicly you could send me a email at Symbro@dovesforlove.com or PM me. What Do YOU Want For Valentine's Day? Any answer is acceptible.

whoops this was supposed to be a reply to the thread "the bull system"

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/NigelCowood.html i had to do a web search to find it again... but here is a rather good day to day explaination of the bull system.

body gets used to reproducing sperm fast... i just feel sorry for the bull cock when your hens finially lay all their eggs... can you say blue balls!? anyways very important part of the bull system that has been failed to be mentioned is each of the hens has her own cock... they are kept seperated but in the same next box so they can pair up. then all the cocks are removed so they can not see the bull cock tread their hen. once the hen lays her eggs you allow her paired cock to have access to her (no longer worried he will tread her instead of your bull). he will accept the eggs as his own and help raise them. i have a good website that discribes the process. let me see if i can find it.

you are talking about two different things here... a) bringing in a (for lack of a better word at this time) Micro-Colony from another loft, traveling in a baby bird. the difference between this Micro-Colony from one set of parents from another within your own loft here you are looking at perspective. there is a slight difference between two birds in your own loft. i wouldnt think it would be all that different. since your birds would be interacting with each other in one way or another. (drinking water, food, waste). Likewise everytime you send your birds off into a club race you bring home other Micro-Colonies your bird has picked up from his fellow racers. so in situation a) if you got a youngster from a club mate it would be much safer (closer related Micro-Colony) than say a bird from another club, city, county or country. (or God forbid a pigeon from another world!)

yes i changed it from homo to hetero for purpose of showing the different types of babies. also there are a few other mistakes that i wish i could correct. i was copying and pasting from my previous examples for my different examples. as for the patterns i was simply trying to make the point in the end that the patterns have no connection at all to the colours. i was tempted to make one more example using colour, a modifer, and a pattern. but the chart would have been huge! if a moderator wishes to contact me there are atleast three typos i wish to fix.

thank you... Speed Pigeons is the one i was trying to find. looks like answer is 21-35 days?

I wanted to post this for people who seem to need a bit of basic understanding of how colours work. There are three colours. Listed from Dominate to Recessive Red Ash -> Blue -> Brown Then you have the Patterns. Again listed from Dom to Recess Dark Check -> Light Check-> Bar -> Barless Cocks - carry two genes for colours Homozygous - carrying two like genes Heterozygous - Carrying two different genes Hens - carry one gene for colour and the other gene (+) causes her to be a hen Hemizygous - one colour gene and the little piece of gene that carries no colour ----------------------------------------------------- lets pretend we have a pair of birds. at this point we will only be talking about the colour of the bird with no modifiers and no patterns. Cock Redash//blue Hen Redash//+ to see what we come up with you can do a simple chart RB ___R____B___ R | | | + R| RR | RB | |_____|______| | | | +| R+ | B+ | |_____ |_____ | From this pair we get four possible outcomes RR Homozygous Red Ash Cock RB Heterozygous Red Ash Cock with a recessive blue gene R+ Hemizygous Red Ash Hen B+ Hemizygous Blue Hen -------------------------------------------- Now I will do another example using a pair which would tell you the sex of the young Cock Blue//Blue Hen Redash//+ B//B ___B____B___ R | | | / R| RB | RB | / |_____|______| + | | | +| B+ | B+ | |_____ |_____ | From this pair we get two possible outcomes RB Heterozygous Red Ash Cock with a recessive blue gene B+ Hemizygous Blue Hen all red ash babies are cocks and all blue babies are hens. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- One more example where all babies are same colour Cock Redash//Redash Hen Blue//+ R//R ___R____R___ B | | | / R| RB | RB | / |_____|______| + | | | +| R+ | R+ | |_____ |_____ | From this pair we get two possible outcomes RB Heterozygous Red Ash Cock with a recessive blue gene R+ Hemizygous Red Ash Hen ---------------------------------------------------- There are a few modifiers out there. Dilute and spread are two of the common ones in racing birds. Dilute changes the colour of the bird by cuting the amount of pigment. Spread takes the Pigment from the normal areas (checks or bars) and spreads them thought out the body (grizzles). Just for fun I will show you a breeding pair Cock - Red Ash//Red Ash - Dilute//Not Dilute Hen - Red Ash//+ - Dilute//+ R//B D//N ___R-D____R-N_____B-D_____B-N___ R | | | | | // R-D| RRDD | RRDN | RBDD | RBDN | + |_______|______|_______|________| | | | | | D ++| R+D+ | R+N+ | B+D+ | B+N+ | // |_______|_______|________|_______| N From this pair we get Eight possible outcomes RRDD - Cock Homozygous Redash showing dilute (called cream or yellow) RRDN - Cock Homozygous Redash Recessive dilute showing red ash RBDD - Cock Heterozygous Redash showing dilute (called cream or yellow) RBDN - Cock Heterozygous Redash Recessive dilute showing red ash R+D+ - Hen Red ash showing dilute (called cream or yellow) R+N+ - Hen Red ash (regular) B+D+ - Hen Blue showing dilute (true silver) B+N+ - Hen Blue (regular) you knotice that the cock can pass on a greater conbination of his genes where the hen either passes on her colour and modifier or her "hen gene". Dilute is sex-linked. some modifiers the hen will have two possible genes to pass on. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Patterns work the same way colours do. There is no connection between the colour of the bird and the pattern it shows. simply random genes the birds get from their parents decide each seperately.

yes i call the red ashes- red bar and red check (light check and dark check even) and the dilute reds i call yellow. then you have the recessive reds that confuse the whole situtuation since recessive red can cover any true colour. then you have the double indigo which looks like red ash. which is really blue... lol no wonder why people get so confused.

yes that was a very good explanation beautyhomer. i wish everyone could get on the same page with what we call bird colours. Red-Ash gets butchered everywhere. expecially when people call it silver... since silver is a blue showing dilute. :*) i wasnt even sure what people where talking about on this thread at first when they were saying mealy...

i came across a website long ago that had daily pictures of pigeon babies so that you could compair your bird to it and guess closely at its age. does anyone happen to have that web address? follow up question... what age do you all seperate the babies from their parents? what do you look for physically that says it is time?

the question is how many do you want on your team? you will loose the occational bird. but if you are breeding from your top birds and training properlly then your loses shouldnt be high. (there are always bad tosses and the likes) i have seen many fanciers loose birds and take more time b/c all the birds are different ages... some too young to go that far and others too strong on the wing.

ummm... can anyone answer my original question? about how many rounds i can foster from a pair?

i believe whites to be inferior simply due to the fact they were breed for colour and not racing. a few grizzles have made it into the top racers. but i have yet to even see white birds even raced. now most white birds are redash birds with (brain fart) another gene that cause there to not be colour on the inside of the feathers. the red ash cause no colour on the outside of the feather eventually the different colour modifiers will be mixed with enough good racers to produce birds that will be able to fly with the best. but you have to remember that our racers today have been breed generations for certain aspects and colour breeds have usually been crossbreed with other pigeons (fancy or feral) and with no consern about racing ability.

everytime i feed my birds i put them in the avairy (landing board) and use my feeding can to call them in. also every once in awhile (after my floors are super clean) i feed the birds at my feet and let the brave ones eat out of my hand. while the feed around my feet i move my hands more and more so the get used to the idea of my hands moving while they eat.

i have V perches. two rows work great... however the third row gets crapped on. i plan on removing the bottom rows since the birds dont like sitting on them anyways. (would you if you got crapped on?) i was told that birds dont like their tails touching anything when they crap. so by putting a 1x4inch inbetween, the birds will crap out instead of to the side. personally i like to see the intereaction between two birds sitting on the perches, so i havent put up the board. i wonder if putting that board up would make catching birds much easier. i have an 8x16 foot loft and catching those guys can be a real pain!

wish i could see a better picture of the "hole" where exactly is the pad placed? i was told that it cant be "on" the landing board... since technically it is before the birds "enter" the loft

yes i have actually heard of doing that... but what i want to do here is get youngsters from this pair the hen is equally as important as the cock

i have a pair of birds i wish to foster from. i am curious though if i need to place them under birds that have also just laid their eggs? i once read that birds will abandon eggs if they dont hatch soon enough. also how many rounds of eggs can i safely allow the pair to lay? i wouldnt want to over stress these birds (expecially since they arnt mine) but i want to get quite a few babies off of them before i have to give them back. any and all feed back is appreciated

any suggestions on how to keep my loft dryer and more sanatised? it is winter and it rains or is foggy. my pigeon loft isnt drying out like it does in the warmer times. i am getting soggy droppings and mold growing.