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must be a euro thing... because i have no clue... my guess would be morning wood... maybe... you all say that instead? :B

i am breeding one cock to two hens. he treads them both just fine but he will only nest with one. i have been locking him in the other nest box with the other hen but he just is not having any... what should i do?

anyone know if i will have a problem with morning glories growing up my avairy?

cream bars... i am breeding for a dilute redash team.. and i need to find good quality birds to breed them with... we will see how i do this next yb season!!!

that makes me feel better... thank you guys (and gals)

i dont understand ring collecting! someone please explain it too me! ps i have AU GSC 06 bands left from last breeding season. GSC is my club... i am not sure why you want some...

how far apart do two birds need to be related when you breed? i have two really good pairs. the hen of the second pair is off of the first pair. i breed a bunch of babies off of the second pair (daughter and unrelated bird) and was thinking about breeding the young i get off of the next generation back to young off of the first pair. yes i know this is confusing... basically, great grand child of the foundation cock back to the foundation cock's latest young. I had also considered breeding two "cousins" together. but i didnt know how much relationship is "safe" any help is appreciated

i didnt think you were being smart i am just saying it isnt stargazing so i didnt think it was pmv i am thinking it is a genetic thing

no stargazing

nope... he should start flying this week... might see something new then.

so i have a baby whose head shakes when he is nervous and he runs in circles when he is scared. also when introduced to a new enviroment. now a second baby, in nest, from the same parents is showing the shaking head. i have seperated the two parents and am trying to set them up with other breeders. both of these birds are really good racers... i am wondering if they are too closely related or if this is a genetic disease i have in my loft. another possiblity is the heat. during the high of the day my loft is around 95degrees. any ideas?

just remember if you get any first generation blacks or spread ash. then he is not barless. (unless your bluebar carries barless hehe)

this is my cock... i am fairly sure at this point he is barless. so far the two babies that have come off him have not been spreads. but it still can. you can see that same "dirty" bar look taht you were talking about.

thank you all for your responses. please dont respond any more moderator feel free to lock or delete this thread now (ps i do have a cover for once they are all in. just sometimes one is doesnt come home... so i hope he will come home the next morning)

thank you all for your responses. please dont respond any more moderator feel free to lock or delete this thread now

my trap is not a stall bobbed trap... it is about one foot across with about 12 bobs. the cat can squeeze and push the bobs out of the way. i was planning on putting in a drop trap... i think this would be even easier for stupid cat. not sure how to change the trap... thinking of some good ways to persaude cat though... HUMAINLY

i was looking on jedds.com trying to figure out the cost of the entire system. but there are lots of different items and i am not sure what i need. can anyone who uses these help me?

Rentenier, sorry i didnt reply earlier... i havent visited this thread until now... didnt know you had replied. posting a link is super easy... just highlight the address of the page you are looking at. this is the Http://... at the top of the browser. once it is hightlighted just right click and select copy. then when posting simply right click again and select paste. this usually works with most forums. some forums make you type a code before and after. ron, wow that bird has a lot of flecks. my guess would be either redash barless or redash spread. i have a bird that looks very similiar to that one. the only way to tell the difference between barless and spread is by breeding the bird to another who does not have spread. spread is dominate so if a bird has the gene the show the gene. therefore if you have any babies with spread (black, or like this roller) then you know for sure the parent is spread. if you dont get any spread babies... then you are only 100% sure that the parent isnt homozygous spread... meaning the parent had a nonspread gene to pass on. so 50-50 chance of babie not being spread. as you get more and more spreadless babies then you then begin to be sure the parent does not infact have spread but instead barless. another test you could do would be to breed the offspring of that pair together. in this case generation 1 would (if the parent was infact barless) be carrying one barless gene and one gene from the other parent. by breeding them together you would have 25% chance of producing another homozygous barless baby but never spread since both of the birds from generation 1 would show a pattern. well i hope i didnt confuse you. i really have thought about this since i am also trying to figure out if my bird is barless. personally i am trying to breed barless and dont want spread in my gene pool. shawn

neighbor's cat :*(

ok so i had this cat i have seen exiting my loft through the trap twice now... the first time i knoticed that the floor covering in one spot had been moved and i assumed that the cat had been jumping up at the birds and the stuff had been moved by the force of the jump. but this time i knoticed the same markings in the same area. but get this. i also knoticed a smell. cat crap!!! i am starting to think the cat isnt after the birds but after a litter box! why would this cat go through so much effort to crap in my loft and not try to eat my birds? what do you all think about this?

why did you post this? his website is great you could have posted a link... (infact i did on another thread) but really what part were you trying to point out?

ack you are correct... hens carry a gene from each parent for pattern but only from sire for colour... sorry for the confusion

here is my list of genetic websites. i updated my browser... all was good until i found my pigeon links had been deleted. i searched my computer and couldnt find a old file. anyways here are some of the ones i remembered... if anyone else has any good sites please reply... i know i had one or two other good sites... Tom Barnhart http://www.barnhartlofts.com/genetics.htm Ron Huntley http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/ Frank Mosca http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/pigeongenetics/ Slobberknockerlofts http://www.slobberknockerlofts.com/color_chart/ Mangile's list of gene symbols http://www.keycreations.com/~rmangil.../GeneSymb.html

once again beauty homer hit it right on the head. bruno and speight... there is tons of information on the internet about genes and what they really are called and how they can be tranfered from parents to offspring. We pigeon racer and fancy pigeon people have really confused ourselves with mixing up the terms. i have been studying pigeon genetics for about a year now. being able to look at your bird and it's parents and offspring and almost know exactly what is going on is a great feeling. the basics are simple but there are alot of mutations that can act like eachother. but basically there are three different colours only. from dominate to recessive- Red Ash - Blue (wild type) - brown. any other colours we see are a form of these three. then there are our patterns. again from dominate to recessive. Dark check, light check, barred, barless. any other patterns we see are created by a pattern modifier. but the bird is still carrying (two if male and one if female) these basic pattern genes. if i have caught your attention then look up the websites from these helpful people below Tom Barnhart Frank Mosca Ron Huntley Good Luck and have fun. feel free to PM me if you have any questions... i have not learned everything but i have put a big dent into the information. shawn

interesting science experiment http://www.birds.cornell.edu/programs/urbanbirds/ubs_PIWMainEN.html while searching the web i came across this. Pigeon Watch