symbro

well i got a few pm's... i will ask again when i get closer, so i know how many to breed. anyone else interested? http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1658828 here are some pics if anyone wants to just see em... they so good look'n!

looking at the pair white cock and black hen. the white cock looks like it is recessive white. unfortunately that could be hidding lots of other factors. then you have the blue spread hen. after seeing a few babies i could start to tell you what factors are hidden under each. should be some intersting babies. i bet you get what they call milky's... just a red bird with spread. spread takes the tail bar colour and puts it all over the bird. it is also possible that the hen has two spread genes. that would make all your babies spreads. the white could be have pied in its genes... like i said you should get some interesting babies.

i have semi-individual pens. i lock the birds up until the lay their second egg and then let them out while rearing. my question is: at about what age are the babies when the pair gets ready to lay their next set. i need to relock them up during that time to insure proper treading. i figure it is around 20 days old. when the babies are mostly feathered.

(From Stockton California.) After I am done breeding for my yb team, I will be breeding a few dilutes for a fellow up in Washington probably. I was just curious if anyone else wanted some. I am only charging him for the box/shipping. Or if he is in the area he can pick them up. I am also asking that after a few years, down the line after he has bred these birds into his, to send me one or two. The birds I am breeding from are from proven racers. We have been breeding these in our area for so long that we have since lost the "strain". I suggested to this fellow to breed the best babies each year back to his original stock. After four generations, the "strain" would be more than 90% of his stock. I am in the second year of my project. This year I expect about one forth of my birds in my racing team to be dilutes. Yellows (creams) or silvers. Some of these babies will be carrying barless also. --------------------------------------------- Genetics: Breeding a dilute hen to a normal cock will produce all cocks who carry hidden dilute. and normal hens. Breeding a hidden dilute cock to a normal hen will produce 50% dilute hens and 50% hidden dilute cocks. Breeding a dilute cock to a normal hen will produce all dilute hens and all hidden dilute cocks. Breeding a hidden dilute cock to a dilute hen will produce 50-50 dilute hens and cocks. the cocks here will be either dilute or hidden dilutes. You can see how easy it can be to follow the dilute gene down a few generations. Most babies you know based on their sex if they carry the gene or not. The only exception is a hidden dilute cock produces some cocks that also carry the gene. This you can only figure out after the offspring has babies of its own. ---------------------------------------------------------- Symbro

i did answer on one of the other threads... and i wish i could take it back. you only need to post it once. not clog up the boards

why did you post this all over the forum? this is the third one i come across.

when i talk about partnership, i am talking about the fact that we race out of the same loft but since we both work full time, we share duties. training, feeding, breeding and so on

yellows! or creams as some people call em

i have 16 pairs. i spend about 1 hour while they are treading, letting one pair out at a time. i have a broom handle that i use after they tread. they have learned that the only safe spot from the handle is in thier nestbox. takes about three or four times for them to learn that. anyways after a pairs lay both their eggs i let them out with any others that have laid their eggs. this cuts down on my time. today i was able to let out 12 pairs at once to get some excersise then got them all back in to let out the other four pairs one at a time. even after all that i do have one or two pairs i keep locked up due to their obsession of trying to take over other nest boxes. last year i had a hurt cock and a couple of damaged eggs and babies. i cant wait to get my indivdual pens... going to be so nice to just put the birds in there and not have to worry about them needing to stretch their wings! when the babies are almost fully feathered i lock the parents back up. Then i take the babies out and put them on the ground. usually i have a bird or two in the loft that will feed babies on the ground. the babies learn to huddle with other babies and eat by watching eachother and whatever grownup i have with them. personally, i think the babies that are on the ground for a week with eachother bond better. also this way i dont have to worry about babies in teh nest while the parents are trying to lay eggs. well i got a bit long winded... good luck! symbro

well i dont know if this is still happening... but if you only let your birds out an hour before sun down... this will help a little. between that and keeping them hungry. as far as flying, just try waiting another month. eventually one will decide to fly... and the rest will follow.

usually pigeons know how to keep the egg at the right temp. you will see that on colder nights they sit on the single egg lower... and on warmer days they dont sit on it at all. usually one egg will hatch an hour or so before the other... but i read somewhere that parents dont even feed that first day.

lol... did anyone atleast want to use this? or was it a waste of my time?

had to size down the file to attach... i have the original on Microsoft works spreadsheet program

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http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/index.php do a search on this chat forum and you will find all the information needed

any other questions, anybody?

this cock carried the dilute gene but otherwise was genetically similiar to the cock i was just talking about. his red check cock: Red/Blue Nondilute(wildtype)/dilute Check/bar this bird can pass on eight possiblities; red nondilute check, red nondilute bar, red dilute check, red dilute bar, blue nondilute check, blue nondilute bar, blue dilute check, blue dilute bar, his baby silver hen off of this pair genetically was: blue/* dilute/* bar/bar

here is a detailed break down of what you are saying. i think you will be able to understand it with no problem. however it took me awhile to figure this out so if you have any questions feel free to ask! Your red check cock - red/blue check/bar Your blue bar hen - blue/* bar/bar cock can pass on 4 combinations: 1)red/check 2)red/bar 3)blue/check or 4)blue/bar hen can pass on 2 cominations: 1)blue/bar or 2)*/bar so young can be 11) red/blue check/bar... a heterozygous red - heterozygous check - cock 12) red/* check/bar... a hemizgous red heterozygous check - hen 21) red/blue bar/bar.. a heterozgous red - homozgous bar - cock 22) red/* bar/bar... a hemizgous red - homozgous bar - hen 31) blue/blue check/bar... a homozgous blue - hetherozygous check - cock 32) blue/* check/bar... a hemizgous blue heterozygous check - hen 41) blue/blue bar/bar... a homozgous blue - homozgous bar - cock 42) blue/* bar/bar... a hemizgous blue - homozgous bar - hen homozygous; carrying two of the same genes heterozygous; carrying two different genes hemizygous; carrying one gene for attribute and one gene for hen the hen chromzome (*) carries no genes. two important types of genes that are affected are colour (red, blue, brown) and dilute gene.

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well look around you area for a silver or yellow. if you fail to find one. you can try eggbid.com or you get one from me. I can breed an extra one or two at the end of this breeding season. ps i assume the red trents you have are recessive red? (blood red all over body). quite often i see those with the dilute giving them a nice yellow/cream colour.

your cock had one dilute gene. you could not see it because cocks require two dilute genes inorder to show the colour change. however he was able to pass on this dilute gene. had you paired him up to a hen that was dilute, you would have gotten both cocks and hens showing dilute. your cocks genetics were Red/blue nondilute(wildtype)/dilute check/bar i know he was Red/blue because all hens get their colour gene from thier sire. He must have also been check/bar, because you paired him up to a bar and had bar babies. your blue hen genetics were- Blue/* Bar/Bar birdman55678 this might help you understand what you need for your dilute.

do you have any birds that are yellow(cream) or silver? or do you have any birds that are producing yellows (creams) or silvers? silver - Dilute Blue "Silver" - Red Bar with a silvery neck yellow or cream - Dilute Red Ash

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/forum/blah/m-1165533555/ not sure how i got the wrong link... but this one should work.

this is due to the way the dilute gene works. it only takes one dilute gene to show on hens but takes two to show on cocks. any cock that produces a dilute hen, carries dilute himself but does not show it because he only has one. however if you breed a dilute bird to that cock then you will see dilute hens and cocks. Quick explaination... if you are curious i could get more exact.

no problem! tell me though... what colour are the parents to the cock... and what pattern can you see on the hens parents... and any full siblings? if you dont have any of this information, just tell me what babies you get... then we can try to figure out what is hidden under the spread and wiether the cock is red/red or red/blue.